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Hasn’t Google been parsing Google Photos images, email content, and pretty much everything else since forever? Do you just stay off of smartphones and cloud pl

Hasn’t Google been parsing Google Photos images, email content, and pretty much everything else since forever? Do you just stay off of smartphones and cloud platforms entirely?

fh973 5y ago
Microsoft and Google have been doing that in their online services for ages, but not on your personal devices.
- brasscodemonkey 5y ago
  So if I don’t backup with Google Photos or Google Drive, would they be safe for now?
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    yes theoretically.
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sathackr 5y ago
They scan things I send them. They don't (publicly announce that they) scan things on my device.
- dwaite 5y ago
  The Apple feature discussed here is for photos being synched to iCloud Photos. It does not scan arbitrary local content.
  - hippari 5y ago
    They already can decrypt iCloud photos, why else perform an on-device scan ? If not with the intention to scan all local contents ?
    - sathackr 5y ago
      And the matching photo is uploaded upon match. So regardless the photo is uploaded. What's the point again of taking this further step?
      - dwaite 5y ago
        That is an EXCELLENT question, fwiw. They could have just had a local failure. I suspect there were a lot of arguments around this point - should they be making an attempt merely to prevent such content from their servers, or to detect/report behaviors which may be illegal and harmful.
  - giantrobot 5y ago
    > It does not scan arbitrary local content. Yet. Before it was "only content uploaded to iCloud is scanned" and now it's "photos are scanned on-device". That's frog boiling that tomorrow easily becomes "arbitrary files are scanned anywhere on the device".
    - dwaite 5y ago
      Only photos being uploaded to iCloud are scanned on device for CE imagery. This is the alternative to having cloud storage having broad decryption ability to do scanning in-service (as say Microsoft, Google, Twitter, and Facebook do)
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    It also scans every photo that an iMessage user sends/receives.

Hasn’t Google been parsing Google Photos images, email content, and pretty much everything else since forever? Do you just stay off of smartphones and cloud platforms entirely?

fh973 5y ago

Microsoft and Google have been doing that in their online services for ages, but not on your personal devices.

brasscodemonkey 5y ago
So if I don’t backup with Google Photos or Google Drive, would they be safe for now?
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  yes theoretically.

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sathackr 5y ago

They scan things I send them. They don't (publicly announce that they) scan things on my device.

dwaite 5y ago
The Apple feature discussed here is for photos being synched to iCloud Photos. It does not scan arbitrary local content.
- hippari 5y ago
  They already can decrypt iCloud photos, why else perform an on-device scan ? If not with the intention to scan all local contents ?
  - sathackr 5y ago
    And the matching photo is uploaded upon match. So regardless the photo is uploaded. What's the point again of taking this further step?
    - dwaite 5y ago
      That is an EXCELLENT question, fwiw. They could have just had a local failure. I suspect there were a lot of arguments around this point - should they be making an attempt merely to prevent such content from their servers, or to detect/report behaviors which may be illegal and harmful.
- giantrobot 5y ago
  > It does not scan arbitrary local content. Yet. Before it was "only content uploaded to iCloud is scanned" and now it's "photos are scanned on-device". That's frog boiling that tomorrow easily becomes "arbitrary files are scanned anywhere on the device".
  - dwaite 5y ago
    Only photos being uploaded to iCloud are scanned on device for CE imagery. This is the alternative to having cloud storage having broad decryption ability to do scanning in-service (as say Microsoft, Google, Twitter, and Facebook do)
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  It also scans every photo that an iMessage user sends/receives.