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I'm glad someone stood up to Jobs, what a complete and utter asshole. Nothing says job security like telling your boss that their demands are "bullshit"

soperj 5y ago
complete megalomaniac.
- bobsil1 5y ago
  *insecure
CharlesW 5y ago
> I'm glad someone stood up to Jobs… If you worked with Steve, you were going to be challenged. If you cowered, gods help you. But if you knew what you were talking about, you'd be fine, in the end he'd respect you more. www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-michelson/one-lesson-from-steve-job_b_1100331.html
- monkeydreams 5y ago
  > If you worked with Steve, you were going to be challenged. If you cowered, gods help you. But if you knew what you were talking about, you'd be fine, in the end he'd respect you more. So he was a bully who only targeted those people who wouldn't fight back?
  - CharlesW 5y ago
    He was a bully who expected you to fight back, because if you didn't, it meant that you either didn't know what you were talking about, didn't have the courage of your convictions, or both. To be clear, I don't idolize Jobs and am not defending toxic behavior by a broken person who either thought the ends justified the means, or (more likely) who didn't think about it at all.
    - goto11 5y ago
      How on earth is "fighting back" supposed to be correlated with "know what you were talking about"? All experience shows these are not correlated whatsoever. I have certainly met many people who didn't know what they were talking about but nevertheless was very combative about it. And conversely people who was very smart but (perhaps naively) thought ideas would win on merit, not on who shout the loudest, and therefore didn't "fight".
- candlemas 5y ago
  Did he ever blow up at Woz?
- goto11 5y ago
  So you are saying Smith didn't know what he was talking about?
  - CharlesW 5y ago
    No, I was responding to the parent comment which implied that "standing up to Jobs" was something few people did. Having 2nd-hand knowledge of several incidents, my impression is that it was not uncommon and sometimes necessary.

soperj 5y ago

complete megalomaniac.

bobsil1 5y ago
*insecure

CharlesW 5y ago

> I'm glad someone stood up to Jobs… If you worked with Steve, you were going to be challenged. If you cowered, gods help you. But if you knew what you were talking about, you'd be fine, in the end he'd respect you more. www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-michelson/one-lesson-from-steve-job_b_1100331.html

monkeydreams 5y ago
> If you worked with Steve, you were going to be challenged. If you cowered, gods help you. But if you knew what you were talking about, you'd be fine, in the end he'd respect you more. So he was a bully who only targeted those people who wouldn't fight back?
- CharlesW 5y ago
  He was a bully who expected you to fight back, because if you didn't, it meant that you either didn't know what you were talking about, didn't have the courage of your convictions, or both. To be clear, I don't idolize Jobs and am not defending toxic behavior by a broken person who either thought the ends justified the means, or (more likely) who didn't think about it at all.
  - goto11 5y ago
    How on earth is "fighting back" supposed to be correlated with "know what you were talking about"? All experience shows these are not correlated whatsoever. I have certainly met many people who didn't know what they were talking about but nevertheless was very combative about it. And conversely people who was very smart but (perhaps naively) thought ideas would win on merit, not on who shout the loudest, and therefore didn't "fight".
candlemas 5y ago
Did he ever blow up at Woz?
goto11 5y ago
So you are saying Smith didn't know what he was talking about?
- CharlesW 5y ago
  No, I was responding to the parent comment which implied that "standing up to Jobs" was something few people did. Having 2nd-hand knowledge of several incidents, my impression is that it was not uncommon and sometimes necessary.