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The vulnerable populations aren't vaccinated. The vaccination rate in Brooklyn for people 65+ is just a bit over 50% (51% white/54% African American). If cases

by clukic 5y ago

The vulnerable populations aren't vaccinated. The vaccination rate in Brooklyn for people 65+ is just a bit over 50% (51% white/54% African American). If cases keep rising I don't see any reason why hospitalizations and deaths won't follow. Unless the delta variant is less dangerous or treatments have improved tremendously. So, the options are 1)Stop indoor dining 2)Accept the public health implications or 3) Require vaccinations for high risk activities. I feel like option 3 imposes the least harm.

timr 5y ago
> The vulnerable populations aren't vaccinated. The vaccination rate in Brooklyn for people 65+ is just a bit over 50% (51% white/54% African American). Yes, they are. In NYC, 73% of adults over 65 are fully vaccinated, and 77% have had at least one dose: https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.page https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.p... You're cherry-picking regions of low vaccination, but ignoring the overall metrics.
- clukic 5y ago
  It's the local demographics that matter. I live in Brooklyn. I don't care what the vaccination rate is in the entire US, or NY state, and I'm hardly ever in Manhattan. I don't dine indoors because the vaccination rate in my neighborhood is 39%. And, while I'm probably not going to the hospital knowing that I might put one of my unvaccinated neighbors in there matters to me.
  - timr 5y ago
    > It's the local demographics that matter The local demographics don't matter unless there's a serious impact on the hospitals. That's why we started down this road, remember? It wasn't to eliminate death. > I don't dine indoors because the vaccination rate in my neighborhood is 39%. Are you vaccinated? If you are, you're worrying about something that is irrelevant to you. Avoiding restaurants because other people made a different choice is silly. > And, while I'm probably not going to the hospital knowing that I might put one of my unvaccinated neighbors in there matters to me. Ever had a head cold or the flu? You've put an elderly person at risk. Sorry, but it's true. You can never eliminate this kind of risk. If your standard is "I must never present a risk to anyone else, ever" then you're going to have a really difficult life. You can live that way if you like, but don't force it on me.
heavyset_go 5y ago
> If cases keep rising I don't see any reason why hospitalizations and deaths won't follow. They already have. Hospitalization rates have multiplied by a factor of nearly 4x from the 12,000 COVID hospitalizations in early July to the 40,000 COVID hospitalizations today in early August.
trident5000 5y ago
Or you know, let people decide if they want to take a risk. What do I care if someone doesnt want to get vaccinated and put themselves at risk? Thats on them. Just like they can go bungee jump or drive a race car.
- standardUser 5y ago
  Primarily because of the threat to our healthcare system, but also because of those with high risk of breakthrough infection and those who cannot be vaccinated. I find it a little hard to believe that anyone who has lived through this pandemic does not understand this.
  - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
    Considering a lot of vaccinated people can spread the virus, the immunocomprimised are already fscked, and should stay at home. For everyone else, there are vaccines, or if they want, they can risk it without. Give priority to vaccinated patients, and you're done.
    - standardUser 5y ago
      Vaccinated people do not spread the virus nearly as effectively as unvaccinated people. And you did not address the threat to our hospital system, which has been the number one concern for a year and a half. Surgeries are already being halted in multiple states... again. You might view it differently if it was your hospital that postponed your surgery because unvaccinated people had filled all their beds because of a preventable illness.
      - IG_Semmelweiss 5y ago
        There was a study upthread (from the Lancet?) that literally pointed out that there are the same level of virus load on nasal pathways for vaxxed and unvaxxed. I believe the study was linked by user timr This was the underlying logic for the cdc to require masks once again

by clukic 5y ago

timr 5y ago

> The vulnerable populations aren't vaccinated. The vaccination rate in Brooklyn for people 65+ is just a bit over 50% (51% white/54% African American). Yes, they are. In NYC, 73% of adults over 65 are fully vaccinated, and 77% have had at least one dose: https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.page https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.p... You're cherry-picking regions of low vaccination, but ignoring the overall metrics.

clukic 5y ago
It's the local demographics that matter. I live in Brooklyn. I don't care what the vaccination rate is in the entire US, or NY state, and I'm hardly ever in Manhattan. I don't dine indoors because the vaccination rate in my neighborhood is 39%. And, while I'm probably not going to the hospital knowing that I might put one of my unvaccinated neighbors in there matters to me.
- timr 5y ago
  > It's the local demographics that matter The local demographics don't matter unless there's a serious impact on the hospitals. That's why we started down this road, remember? It wasn't to eliminate death. > I don't dine indoors because the vaccination rate in my neighborhood is 39%. Are you vaccinated? If you are, you're worrying about something that is irrelevant to you. Avoiding restaurants because other people made a different choice is silly. > And, while I'm probably not going to the hospital knowing that I might put one of my unvaccinated neighbors in there matters to me. Ever had a head cold or the flu? You've put an elderly person at risk. Sorry, but it's true. You can never eliminate this kind of risk. If your standard is "I must never present a risk to anyone else, ever" then you're going to have a really difficult life. You can live that way if you like, but don't force it on me.

heavyset_go 5y ago

> If cases keep rising I don't see any reason why hospitalizations and deaths won't follow. They already have. Hospitalization rates have multiplied by a factor of nearly 4x from the 12,000 COVID hospitalizations in early July to the 40,000 COVID hospitalizations today in early August.

trident5000 5y ago

Or you know, let people decide if they want to take a risk. What do I care if someone doesnt want to get vaccinated and put themselves at risk? Thats on them. Just like they can go bungee jump or drive a race car.

standardUser 5y ago
Primarily because of the threat to our healthcare system, but also because of those with high risk of breakthrough infection and those who cannot be vaccinated. I find it a little hard to believe that anyone who has lived through this pandemic does not understand this.
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  Considering a lot of vaccinated people can spread the virus, the immunocomprimised are already fscked, and should stay at home. For everyone else, there are vaccines, or if they want, they can risk it without. Give priority to vaccinated patients, and you're done.
  - standardUser 5y ago
    Vaccinated people do not spread the virus nearly as effectively as unvaccinated people. And you did not address the threat to our hospital system, which has been the number one concern for a year and a half. Surgeries are already being halted in multiple states... again. You might view it differently if it was your hospital that postponed your surgery because unvaccinated people had filled all their beds because of a preventable illness.
    - IG_Semmelweiss 5y ago
      There was a study upthread (from the Lancet?) that literally pointed out that there are the same level of virus load on nasal pathways for vaxxed and unvaxxed. I believe the study was linked by user timr This was the underlying logic for the cdc to require masks once again