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Love Vue. Polymer 2.0 with its HTML imports still offered a better DX in my opinion. Svelte offers a better DX than both of those frameworks. I don't even bo

Love Vue. Polymer 2.0 with its HTML imports still offered a better DX in my opinion. Svelte offers a better DX than both of those frameworks. I don't even bother with FE anymore, more focused on BE/infra - but Svelte is always a pleasure to work in.

sebasslash 5y ago
Agreed, Svelte is by far the most productive FE I’ve used. Coming from a jQuery/templating background, at first felt Vue was the most intuitive to use (React felt alien, Angular overly verbose)… Until I met Svelte…Vue, minus the BS. A clean template system, less boilerplate, no Virtual DOM, nice Typescript support, intuitive state mgmt. 10/10 my goto for any frontend project.
hardwaresofton 5y ago
Btw if you liked Polymer 2.0/3.0 you may also like Lit (formerly lit-element)[0]. It has a less "proven" ecosystem around state/async action management and some other concerns (i.e. there's no redux/vuex), but the controller paradigm[1] looks pretty fresh and interesting. I'm of the belief that most of the time doing an async request or two and some caching and good architecture is enough for most app (not everyone needs the flux pattern). Lit is by the best implementation and standards-compliant component-centric library IMO. Tried a bunch of them back when I was trying to figure out if there's a better way to handle state in a component-centric world[3]. [0]: https://lit.dev/ https://lit.dev/ [1]: https://lit.dev/docs/composition/controllers/#building-controllers-from-other-controllers https://lit.dev/docs/composition/controllers/#building-contr... [3]: https://mrman.gitlab.io/services-as-dom-elements https://mrman.gitlab.io/services-as-dom-elements
- sativallday 5y ago
  Lit doesn't have HTML imports. This is why lit-element is nothing compared to Polymer with HTML imports: https://lit-element.polymer-project.org/guide/templates https://lit-element.polymer-project.org/guide/templates DOM in JS is an anti-pattern from a DX perspective.

sebasslash 5y ago

Agreed, Svelte is by far the most productive FE I’ve used. Coming from a jQuery/templating background, at first felt Vue was the most intuitive to use (React felt alien, Angular overly verbose)… Until I met Svelte…Vue, minus the BS. A clean template system, less boilerplate, no Virtual DOM, nice Typescript support, intuitive state mgmt. 10/10 my goto for any frontend project.

hardwaresofton 5y ago

Btw if you liked Polymer 2.0/3.0 you may also like Lit (formerly lit-element)[0]. It has a less "proven" ecosystem around state/async action management and some other concerns (i.e. there's no redux/vuex), but the controller paradigm[1] looks pretty fresh and interesting. I'm of the belief that most of the time doing an async request or two and some caching and good architecture is enough for most app (not everyone needs the flux pattern). Lit is by the best implementation and standards-compliant component-centric library IMO. Tried a bunch of them back when I was trying to figure out if there's a better way to handle state in a component-centric world[3]. [0]: https://lit.dev/ https://lit.dev/ [1]: https://lit.dev/docs/composition/controllers/#building-controllers-from-other-controllers https://lit.dev/docs/composition/controllers/#building-contr... [3]: https://mrman.gitlab.io/services-as-dom-elements https://mrman.gitlab.io/services-as-dom-elements

sativallday 5y ago
Lit doesn't have HTML imports. This is why lit-element is nothing compared to Polymer with HTML imports: https://lit-element.polymer-project.org/guide/templates https://lit-element.polymer-project.org/guide/templates DOM in JS is an anti-pattern from a DX perspective.