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You've got cause and effect flipped here. It's not the bitterness that causes one to be not hired, its not being hired that causes bitterness. I experienced the

You've got cause and effect flipped here. It's not the bitterness that causes one to be not hired, its not being hired that causes bitterness. I experienced the same when trying to get in the field. The narrative at the time was that there was a labor shortage, and they were trying to push for more H1B visa holders. Yet there were very very few entry level positions, nobody was training, and the company that hired me paid horribly($12/hr) and didn't teach me anything. Keep in mind, I had recently graduated from university in the field. For decades, employers had far more leverage than employees. Now that that's eroded a bit, everyone is panicking. But this is exactly what is needed to employers to actually train and care about their workers.

the-dude 5y ago
> The narrative at the time was that there was a labor shortage Not unique to the particular time or place : Dutch employers are complaining about a lack of technical workers for decades, think welders / metal workers / machine operators etc. Except they pay sh*t. Somehow the statement about the lack of workers gets printed in the media everytime. Now we have the 'free transfer of people' in the EU. The EU is not there for you, but for the employers ( just like HR ).
nate_meurer 5y ago
> It's not the bitterness that causes one to be not hired, its not being hired that causes bitterness. That's a pretty absolutist statement. Is it not possible that both are sometimes present, and lead to a downward spiral of poor attitude and unemployablility?
fallenspec 5y ago
When I got out of university I was doing a web dev job that paid me less than a full time super market job in the UK. However after a year of working there I quickly moved on and got a big pay rise in doing so.
- jason0597 5y ago
  I think this is something that every university graduate needs to understand so as to not be bitter. Your first years of your career will be shit, there is just no beating around the bush around this fact. You will be treated like a kid, you will be paid like shit (borderline minimum wage a lot of the times), and you will have to work ridiculous amounts to be seen on the same level as other people in the field. Once you break the 1-2 year experience mark then you can begin to expect entry level benefits for entry level positions. After you break the 5 year experience mark, then really the world is your oyster. 10 years or more and you can demand blank checks.

the-dude 5y ago

> The narrative at the time was that there was a labor shortage Not unique to the particular time or place : Dutch employers are complaining about a lack of technical workers for decades, think welders / metal workers / machine operators etc. Except they pay sh*t. Somehow the statement about the lack of workers gets printed in the media everytime. Now we have the 'free transfer of people' in the EU. The EU is not there for you, but for the employers ( just like HR ).

nate_meurer 5y ago

> It's not the bitterness that causes one to be not hired, its not being hired that causes bitterness. That's a pretty absolutist statement. Is it not possible that both are sometimes present, and lead to a downward spiral of poor attitude and unemployablility?

fallenspec 5y ago

When I got out of university I was doing a web dev job that paid me less than a full time super market job in the UK. However after a year of working there I quickly moved on and got a big pay rise in doing so.

jason0597 5y ago
I think this is something that every university graduate needs to understand so as to not be bitter. Your first years of your career will be shit, there is just no beating around the bush around this fact. You will be treated like a kid, you will be paid like shit (borderline minimum wage a lot of the times), and you will have to work ridiculous amounts to be seen on the same level as other people in the field. Once you break the 1-2 year experience mark then you can begin to expect entry level benefits for entry level positions. After you break the 5 year experience mark, then really the world is your oyster. 10 years or more and you can demand blank checks.