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Teams is the worst UI I’ve ever used in an application.

by OedipusRex 5y ago

kleiba 5y ago
Seconded, yet my university chose it as the collaboration app for all employees.
- briffle 5y ago
  For the same reason as most others: "its included for free in our existing subscription. Is your other tool free?"
  - kleiba 5y ago
    Aren't there tons of free or even open-source tools?
    - smolder 5y ago
      Yes, but someone would have to be responsible for making the entirely reasonable choice to use them. No one gets blamed for buying into the status quo and following "best practices" (by popularity), even when they're bad practices.
    - easton 5y ago
      Not that include hosting (with a SLA), SSO support, and integration with all of the other apps you already use (well, at least Office). And if you pay for a Microsoft license that includes compliance stuff, it automatically does Teams too.
    - skeeter2020 5y ago
      Teams is not free, it's a free addition to the subscriptions that almost every IT department buys already. So you can think of it as a subsidized moat, or a loss-leader for new clients. Any competitor needs to figure out how to cover the not insignificant costs of running this service, plus to give them their due, Microsoft support is better than almost everyone else in the enterprise setting.
      - basch 5y ago
        It's not even free in that it mostly just replaces the Lync/SharePoint interfaces. It's a feature people were sold that was rewritten and replaced, and the old feature removed.
skeeterbug 5y ago
The UI is bad, but I will take Teams over using WebEx for meetings.
rhacker 5y ago
There must be something they're doing right as there are so many people talking about how bad it is. (They all have it installed)
- acoard 5y ago
  Microsoft included Teams with their offerings that most businesses already subscribe to. So, it's essentially "free." It makes it really had to pick other options. Especially because it has Active Directory.
  - isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
    Nobody was ever fired for choosing Microsoft. Same goes for some of Azure usage I've seen.
- dnautics 5y ago
  obligatory reading about enterprise software (apologies for it being a twitter thread) https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/1182635589604171776?lang=en https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/1182635589604171776...
  - zinglersen 5y ago
    I feel like this could be said about paid APIs as well? The ones purchasing/signing the contract (business) and the ones using the API (developers) have completely different 'needs'.
IceCreamJonsey 5y ago
The fact that "Click to expand" / auto-collapse is the default for almost all conversations and there is no way to toggle it off is inexplicable to me.
skeeter2020 5y ago
You've obiovusly never used Azure DevOps. Nothing will make you miss Jira like moving to DevOps.

Teams is the worst UI I’ve ever used in an application.

kleiba 5y ago

Seconded, yet my university chose it as the collaboration app for all employees.

briffle 5y ago
For the same reason as most others: "its included for free in our existing subscription. Is your other tool free?"
- kleiba 5y ago
  Aren't there tons of free or even open-source tools?
  - smolder 5y ago
    Yes, but someone would have to be responsible for making the entirely reasonable choice to use them. No one gets blamed for buying into the status quo and following "best practices" (by popularity), even when they're bad practices.
  - easton 5y ago
    Not that include hosting (with a SLA), SSO support, and integration with all of the other apps you already use (well, at least Office). And if you pay for a Microsoft license that includes compliance stuff, it automatically does Teams too.
  - skeeter2020 5y ago
    Teams is not free, it's a free addition to the subscriptions that almost every IT department buys already. So you can think of it as a subsidized moat, or a loss-leader for new clients. Any competitor needs to figure out how to cover the not insignificant costs of running this service, plus to give them their due, Microsoft support is better than almost everyone else in the enterprise setting.
    - basch 5y ago
      It's not even free in that it mostly just replaces the Lync/SharePoint interfaces. It's a feature people were sold that was rewritten and replaced, and the old feature removed.

skeeterbug 5y ago

The UI is bad, but I will take Teams over using WebEx for meetings.

rhacker 5y ago

There must be something they're doing right as there are so many people talking about how bad it is. (They all have it installed)

acoard 5y ago
Microsoft included Teams with their offerings that most businesses already subscribe to. So, it's essentially "free." It makes it really had to pick other options. Especially because it has Active Directory.
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
  Nobody was ever fired for choosing Microsoft. Same goes for some of Azure usage I've seen.
dnautics 5y ago
obligatory reading about enterprise software (apologies for it being a twitter thread) https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/1182635589604171776?lang=en https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/1182635589604171776...
- zinglersen 5y ago
  I feel like this could be said about paid APIs as well? The ones purchasing/signing the contract (business) and the ones using the API (developers) have completely different 'needs'.

IceCreamJonsey 5y ago

The fact that "Click to expand" / auto-collapse is the default for almost all conversations and there is no way to toggle it off is inexplicable to me.

skeeter2020 5y ago

You've obiovusly never used Azure DevOps. Nothing will make you miss Jira like moving to DevOps.