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No that's not correct. These are people that didn't buy FSD, still have the old hardware and now decide to subscribe to FSD monthly. The chip costs are factored

by Noujin 5y ago

No that's not correct. These are people that didn't buy FSD, still have the old hardware and now decide to subscribe to FSD monthly. The chip costs are factored in when buying the 10k package. But now in Tesla's worst case, someone subscribes, gets the chip for free and then instantly cancels. An easy solution for Tesla should be a "upgrade your hardware and get x months for free situation" for a higher price or a contract for a specific number of months that you sign up for after the upgrade.

treis 5y ago
Tesla has claimed that the cars they sold had the hardware necessary for self driving. Now that a new chip is required they are tacitly admitting that they made a false claim in advertising their cars. They either need to provide the upgrade for free or compensate buyers.
ethbr0 5y ago
> the old hardware From the link's screenshot of Tesla's 10/19/2016 post: > We are excited to announce that, as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory -- including Model 3 -- will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. That's a clear marketing claim.
- clintonb 5y ago
  That’s the hardware for the 2016 version. The latest version of FSD needs newer hardware.
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > the hardware for the 2016 version. The latest version of FSD needs newer hardware. Not sure you can start deprecating before you deliver.
    - clintonb 5y ago
      I agree in spirit. In practice, this is no different from deprecating an early alpha/beta version.
      - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
        > this is no different from deprecating an early alpha/beta version If you sell the alpha with the promise of it supporting the full game, and then charge again when you release the beta no less, I could understand being upset.
      - perl4ever 5y ago
        ...that never existed?
  - yawaworht1978 5y ago
    Wow, so they had to upgrade the hardware before the software? How comes the engineers didn't see that coming?
    - thinkingemote 5y ago
      They did, that's why they are asking 1.5k for it. That people thought this company, unique amongst every other manufacturer wouldn't do planned obselesence is part of the massive marketing success of the company.
Brian_K_White 5y ago
"These are people that didn't buy FSD," Incorrect.
TomSwirly 5y ago
No, that's not correct. These are people who were told they were buying the hardware that allowed FSD.

by Noujin 5y ago

treis 5y ago

Tesla has claimed that the cars they sold had the hardware necessary for self driving. Now that a new chip is required they are tacitly admitting that they made a false claim in advertising their cars. They either need to provide the upgrade for free or compensate buyers.

ethbr0 5y ago

> the old hardware From the link's screenshot of Tesla's 10/19/2016 post: > We are excited to announce that, as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory -- including Model 3 -- will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. That's a clear marketing claim.

clintonb 5y ago
That’s the hardware for the 2016 version. The latest version of FSD needs newer hardware.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > the hardware for the 2016 version. The latest version of FSD needs newer hardware. Not sure you can start deprecating before you deliver.
  - clintonb 5y ago
    I agree in spirit. In practice, this is no different from deprecating an early alpha/beta version.
    - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
      > this is no different from deprecating an early alpha/beta version If you sell the alpha with the promise of it supporting the full game, and then charge again when you release the beta no less, I could understand being upset.
    - perl4ever 5y ago
      ...that never existed?
- yawaworht1978 5y ago
  Wow, so they had to upgrade the hardware before the software? How comes the engineers didn't see that coming?
  - thinkingemote 5y ago
    They did, that's why they are asking 1.5k for it. That people thought this company, unique amongst every other manufacturer wouldn't do planned obselesence is part of the massive marketing success of the company.

Brian_K_White 5y ago

"These are people that didn't buy FSD," Incorrect.

TomSwirly 5y ago

No, that's not correct. These are people who were told they were buying the hardware that allowed FSD.