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I currently look at Twitter as a destination for socially approved statements. Twitter is a place where you are either celebrated for having approved perspecti

I currently look at Twitter as a destination for socially approved statements. Twitter is a place where you are either celebrated for having approved perspectives or risk professional destruction. New users can only be craven popularity chasers. Old users either conform or quit. Why would anyone play in that sandbox if you have any respect for diverse opinions?

fleddr 5y ago
Yet the difference between socially approved on Twitter and in the real world is massive. I imagine that quite a few Twitter-socially approved statements would raise a lot of eyebrows in the real world. for being plain weird, nonsensical, or the listener simply not able to understand it at all. I imagine a subset of things said on Twitter and/or tactics used will make you wake up in the hospital when applied to the real world. This is why hardcore Twitter users tend to be so shocked when the election results come in and learn that a vast majority of people do not support their view.
- DaniloDias 5y ago
  The weird culture around social justice and systemic racism gets treated with the same respect as Jehova’s witnesses, Mormons and Scientologists where I live. What’s commonly accepted as progressive online seems to be widely perceived as rehabilitating race-based discrimination here. Is that consistent with your experience?
  - fleddr 5y ago
    Yes, but I should add that I'm from the Netherlands. Let's for the sake of simplicity use the word "woke" for the type of politics we're talking about. We have it too, but it's far smaller. Most of our media is more left than the actual population it broadcasts to. However, our left is more traditional left, not woke left. So it's marginal. Politically, we're a very different country. We have tons of parties, and therefore are a coalition country. Extremism has no place in such society as it can't produce a working coalition. Hence, dutch society moves between a narrow band from centre-right / center / center-left. In practice, usually centre-right as the disconnect between left wing ideas and what the population actually wants is stunningly large. The absolute dumbest thing left wing movements have ever done, and this is an international thing, is to abandon white workers. In white-dominant countries. Anyway, the dutch are extremely sober, based, down to earth. We immediately reject anything that makes no sense. So to finally answer your question (sorry): wokism has no place in general society here. You can't speak it at a birthday party, it will be the last one you're invited to.
    - DaniloDias 5y ago
      Thanks for sharing your perspective. Lot of weirdness on the Internet the last few years.

fleddr 5y ago

Yet the difference between socially approved on Twitter and in the real world is massive. I imagine that quite a few Twitter-socially approved statements would raise a lot of eyebrows in the real world. for being plain weird, nonsensical, or the listener simply not able to understand it at all. I imagine a subset of things said on Twitter and/or tactics used will make you wake up in the hospital when applied to the real world. This is why hardcore Twitter users tend to be so shocked when the election results come in and learn that a vast majority of people do not support their view.

DaniloDias 5y ago
The weird culture around social justice and systemic racism gets treated with the same respect as Jehova’s witnesses, Mormons and Scientologists where I live. What’s commonly accepted as progressive online seems to be widely perceived as rehabilitating race-based discrimination here. Is that consistent with your experience?
- fleddr 5y ago
  Yes, but I should add that I'm from the Netherlands. Let's for the sake of simplicity use the word "woke" for the type of politics we're talking about. We have it too, but it's far smaller. Most of our media is more left than the actual population it broadcasts to. However, our left is more traditional left, not woke left. So it's marginal. Politically, we're a very different country. We have tons of parties, and therefore are a coalition country. Extremism has no place in such society as it can't produce a working coalition. Hence, dutch society moves between a narrow band from centre-right / center / center-left. In practice, usually centre-right as the disconnect between left wing ideas and what the population actually wants is stunningly large. The absolute dumbest thing left wing movements have ever done, and this is an international thing, is to abandon white workers. In white-dominant countries. Anyway, the dutch are extremely sober, based, down to earth. We immediately reject anything that makes no sense. So to finally answer your question (sorry): wokism has no place in general society here. You can't speak it at a birthday party, it will be the last one you're invited to.
  - DaniloDias 5y ago
    Thanks for sharing your perspective. Lot of weirdness on the Internet the last few years.