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You're aware there is a difference between discrimination and categorization, right?

by kwinten 5y ago

retox 5y ago
I don't understand the distinction or how it applies to the example above, can you please explain it to me.
- OJFord 5y ago
  The distinction is that, for example, a 'world foods' (aka 'ethnic'!) aisle in a supermarket categorises stuff efficiently that the local ethnic minority group (predominantly) may be interested in, while more widely consumed (or consumed by local ethnic majority group) foods are distributed elsewhere categorised more according to food type; compared to saying 'you are {local ethnic minority}ian so you are not allowed to purchase {local ethnic majority} foods', which would be discrimination. Whether it applies to the example above though is I think more debatable.
- jacoblambda 5y ago
  With respect to how it applies to the above: r/lesbians is a porn subreddit with content restricted to female same sex porn content. This is just categorisation. r/truelesbians was supposed to a subreddit for lesbians to aggregate and discuss stuff. What ended up happening was while it was still a lesbian focused subreddit, it became a breeding ground for anti-trans/TERF content/discussions/rhetoric and the moderation of the sub enforced those beliefs. This is what makes r/truelesbians discriminatory instead of just being categorisation. It takes a step from "don't post content that doesn't belong here" to "don't post content that doesn't belong here AND don't post at all here if you match some arbitrary biological definition we don't like or if you support those people". You also have r/actuallesbians which branched off from r/truelesbians when they got TERFy. r/actuallesbians is inclusive of all people who identify as female but have the same original focus of providing a platform to discuss and aggregate female same sex/lesbian content/discussions. This once again is categorisation and not discrimination because anyone can post there as long as the posts are on topic. Additionally the content of the sub isn't discriminatory in this case because it's focused on a topic (about same sex female relationships) rather than focused against another (against trans individuals). So r/lesbians and r/actuallesbians both are categorical while r/truelesbians was discriminatory on top of being categorical because of the exclusionary nature of the subreddit.
ffffffg 5y ago
How does it apply in this case? The "truelesbians" subreddit wanted a place where biological females could discuss lesbian issues with biological females. This was not allowed by Reddit. The "lesbians" subreddit is a place where exclusively biological females are portrayed in sexually stimulating activity with each other (mostly for male subscribers to ejaculate to). This is allowed by Reddit. Both of these involve discrimination against so-called 'male lesbians'. The difference seems to be that the male gaze is of more importance to Reddit than female speech.
- rozab 5y ago
  How many throways do you get through each day? Can you go attempt to fan the flames of culture war somewhere else?
  - fffffffg 5y ago
    Will do, bye.
- orra 5y ago
  Please. /r/truelesbians was banned for being transphobic. Meanwhile, /r/actuallesbians continues unhindered, cause it's not transphobic. > 'male lesbians'. Nice dog whistle.
  - ffffffg 5y ago
    Homosexuality is, by its very definition, same-sex attraction, not same-gender attraction. Aside from Reddit's double standard when it comes to subreddit bans, the fact that some people wanting to discuss their attraction to a particular sex is considered 'transphobic', is the wider problem here. It's not right that actual lesbians are getting harangued and then banned for not being interested in 'girldick' or whatever nonsense. > Nice dog whistle. Not really, just biological reality. People can't actually change their sex (only their gender expression), so 'male lesbian' is a statement of self-contradiction.
    - 5y ago

You're aware there is a difference between discrimination and categorization, right?

retox 5y ago

I don't understand the distinction or how it applies to the example above, can you please explain it to me.

OJFord 5y ago
The distinction is that, for example, a 'world foods' (aka 'ethnic'!) aisle in a supermarket categorises stuff efficiently that the local ethnic minority group (predominantly) may be interested in, while more widely consumed (or consumed by local ethnic majority group) foods are distributed elsewhere categorised more according to food type; compared to saying 'you are {local ethnic minority}ian so you are not allowed to purchase {local ethnic majority} foods', which would be discrimination. Whether it applies to the example above though is I think more debatable.
jacoblambda 5y ago
With respect to how it applies to the above: r/lesbians is a porn subreddit with content restricted to female same sex porn content. This is just categorisation. r/truelesbians was supposed to a subreddit for lesbians to aggregate and discuss stuff. What ended up happening was while it was still a lesbian focused subreddit, it became a breeding ground for anti-trans/TERF content/discussions/rhetoric and the moderation of the sub enforced those beliefs. This is what makes r/truelesbians discriminatory instead of just being categorisation. It takes a step from "don't post content that doesn't belong here" to "don't post content that doesn't belong here AND don't post at all here if you match some arbitrary biological definition we don't like or if you support those people". You also have r/actuallesbians which branched off from r/truelesbians when they got TERFy. r/actuallesbians is inclusive of all people who identify as female but have the same original focus of providing a platform to discuss and aggregate female same sex/lesbian content/discussions. This once again is categorisation and not discrimination because anyone can post there as long as the posts are on topic. Additionally the content of the sub isn't discriminatory in this case because it's focused on a topic (about same sex female relationships) rather than focused against another (against trans individuals). So r/lesbians and r/actuallesbians both are categorical while r/truelesbians was discriminatory on top of being categorical because of the exclusionary nature of the subreddit.

ffffffg 5y ago

How does it apply in this case? The "truelesbians" subreddit wanted a place where biological females could discuss lesbian issues with biological females. This was not allowed by Reddit. The "lesbians" subreddit is a place where exclusively biological females are portrayed in sexually stimulating activity with each other (mostly for male subscribers to ejaculate to). This is allowed by Reddit. Both of these involve discrimination against so-called 'male lesbians'. The difference seems to be that the male gaze is of more importance to Reddit than female speech.

rozab 5y ago
How many throways do you get through each day? Can you go attempt to fan the flames of culture war somewhere else?
- fffffffg 5y ago
  Will do, bye.
orra 5y ago
Please. /r/truelesbians was banned for being transphobic. Meanwhile, /r/actuallesbians continues unhindered, cause it's not transphobic. > 'male lesbians'. Nice dog whistle.
- ffffffg 5y ago
  Homosexuality is, by its very definition, same-sex attraction, not same-gender attraction. Aside from Reddit's double standard when it comes to subreddit bans, the fact that some people wanting to discuss their attraction to a particular sex is considered 'transphobic', is the wider problem here. It's not right that actual lesbians are getting harangued and then banned for not being interested in 'girldick' or whatever nonsense. > Nice dog whistle. Not really, just biological reality. People can't actually change their sex (only their gender expression), so 'male lesbian' is a statement of self-contradiction.
  - 5y ago