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American population is driven solely by immigration, given that the average fertility is far below replacement. If you don't want one billion Americans, then y

American population is driven solely by immigration, given that the average fertility is far below replacement. If you don't want one billion Americans, then you need to propose and support: - Ending refugee programs and withdrawing from the UN convention on refugees - Sending refugees back to safe countries - Building walls along the southern border - Ending the H1B visa - deporting illegal immigrants already in the country - Disallowing citizenship by birth - Ending chain family migration The bigger issue here is that Americans are moving out of States with huge pension bills, into 'younger' states with lower taxes and fewer legacy costs. Its basically a death loop playing out at an inter-state migration level.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> American population is driven solely by immigration No, the US still has a positive natural growth rate.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  Source? Because I've seen ArksanExplorer's position quoted repeatedly. (Though far below replacement is almost certainly false.)
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    The fertility rate is significantly below replacement (currently ~1,637.5 births per 1,000 women) [0] and yet the natural population growth rate is still positive (~+3/thousand) [1]. The two are compatible, though over the long term, if lifespans don't increase over time, a sustained below-replacement fertility would eventually require natural population growth to go negative. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/vsrr012-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/vsrr012-508.pdf [1] https://knoema.com/atlas/United-States-of-America/topics/Demographics/Population/Rate-of-natural-increase https://knoema.com/atlas/United-States-of-America/topics/Dem...
- ArkanExplorer 5y ago
  In 2019 the American population increased from 327.2 to 328.2. In 2019 1.03million immigrants were granted permanent resident status. The American population increase is entirely driven by immigration. The fertility rate is 1.73. At some point soon the American population will begin falling, without immigration, as the baby boomers die off.
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    I asked dragonwriter, so I'll also ask you: Source?
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > In 2019 the American population increased from 327.2 to 238.2. That's...not an increase. > In 2019 1.03million immigrants were granted permanent resident status. That's kind of a non-sequitur. To make your case, you’d need net migration numbers, not number of immigrants granted permanent residency. > The fertility rate is 1.73. It’s actually 1.6375, but fertility below replacement isn't negative natural growth, though sustained over the long term with steady-state life expectancy it eventually leads to it.
  - eesmith 5y ago
    Your numbers are off, and you omitted emigration numbers. https://www.census.gov/popclock/ https://www.census.gov/popclock/ says > The United States population on January 1, 2019 was: 329,474,910 > The United States population on December 31, 2019 was: 331,163,242 Difference = 1,688,332 (Your given population numbers correspond to roughly October 4, 2017 and May 4, 2018.) Your 1.03M appears correct - https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2019/table1 https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2019/tab... . It's the 3rd smallest number of the most recent 15 years. Smaller also than 1906, 1907, 1910, 1913 and 1914. However, people do move away from the US. https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/12/net-international-migration-projected-to-fall-lowest-levels-this-decade.html https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/12/net-internati... comments "Net international migration added 595,000 to the U.S. population between 2018 and 2019, the lowest level this decade." Thus, it does not appear true that "The American population increase is entirely driven by immigration".

dragonwriter 5y ago

> American population is driven solely by immigration No, the US still has a positive natural growth rate.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
Source? Because I've seen ArksanExplorer's position quoted repeatedly. (Though far below replacement is almost certainly false.)
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  The fertility rate is significantly below replacement (currently ~1,637.5 births per 1,000 women) [0] and yet the natural population growth rate is still positive (~+3/thousand) [1]. The two are compatible, though over the long term, if lifespans don't increase over time, a sustained below-replacement fertility would eventually require natural population growth to go negative. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/vsrr012-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/vsrr012-508.pdf [1] https://knoema.com/atlas/United-States-of-America/topics/Demographics/Population/Rate-of-natural-increase https://knoema.com/atlas/United-States-of-America/topics/Dem...
ArkanExplorer 5y ago
In 2019 the American population increased from 327.2 to 328.2. In 2019 1.03million immigrants were granted permanent resident status. The American population increase is entirely driven by immigration. The fertility rate is 1.73. At some point soon the American population will begin falling, without immigration, as the baby boomers die off.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  I asked dragonwriter, so I'll also ask you: Source?
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > In 2019 the American population increased from 327.2 to 238.2. That's...not an increase. > In 2019 1.03million immigrants were granted permanent resident status. That's kind of a non-sequitur. To make your case, you’d need net migration numbers, not number of immigrants granted permanent residency. > The fertility rate is 1.73. It’s actually 1.6375, but fertility below replacement isn't negative natural growth, though sustained over the long term with steady-state life expectancy it eventually leads to it.
- eesmith 5y ago
  Your numbers are off, and you omitted emigration numbers. https://www.census.gov/popclock/ https://www.census.gov/popclock/ says > The United States population on January 1, 2019 was: 329,474,910 > The United States population on December 31, 2019 was: 331,163,242 Difference = 1,688,332 (Your given population numbers correspond to roughly October 4, 2017 and May 4, 2018.) Your 1.03M appears correct - https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2019/table1 https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2019/tab... . It's the 3rd smallest number of the most recent 15 years. Smaller also than 1906, 1907, 1910, 1913 and 1914. However, people do move away from the US. https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/12/net-international-migration-projected-to-fall-lowest-levels-this-decade.html https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/12/net-internati... comments "Net international migration added 595,000 to the U.S. population between 2018 and 2019, the lowest level this decade." Thus, it does not appear true that "The American population increase is entirely driven by immigration".