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That's not the definition of murder though, even if you feel like it is. I know we're in a post-fact world, but you don't get to magically decide what words mea

by ta2162 5y ago

That's not the definition of murder though, even if you feel like it is. I know we're in a post-fact world, but you don't get to magically decide what words mean.

falcolas 5y ago
And yet people have been convicted of murder for using similar techniques. There’s explicit examples in other comments to this article. Intent matters.
- ta2162 5y ago
  >And yet people have been convicted of murder for using similar techniques. No they haven't. >There’s explicit examples in other comments to this article. No there isn't.
  - falcolas 5y ago
    > No there isn’t. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27656582 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27656582 > No they haven’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michelle-carter-found-guilty-encouraging-boyfriend-s-suicide-text-messages-n773306 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michelle-carter-found-g...
    - ta2162 5y ago
      >https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2765658 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2765658 Completely different scenario that's not even closely related. This example involved an intimate partner that was on the phone with the victim when he was clearly in an altered state, instructing him to go back into harm's way to kill himself. >https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michelle-carter-found-guilty-encouraging-boyfriend-s-suicide-text-messages-n773306 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michelle-carter-found-g... Literally the exact same case. I'll say it again: there have been no cases that supports what happened being called "murder".
dragonwriter 5y ago
> That's not the definition of murder though It’s usually, when criminally charged, been charged as a lesser degree of homicide (typically some form of manslaughter), but that's because its hard in that kind of case to prove premeditation, as the causation element is the same between murder and manslaughter. If there is actual premeditation, it fits within the definition of murder.
- falcolas 5y ago
  And I would think that the forums themselves could provide evidence of premeditation.
- ta2162 5y ago
  So, not the definition of murder/manslaughter, and the concept of "premeditation" doesn't even apply here. Got it.
- ta2163 5y ago
  It's not homicide nor manslaughter neither, and has no concept of "premeditation" at all. It's was a 10 page years old thread on an obscure gossip website. He was not doxxed (no one even knew his name), did not have threats posted there... I fail to see how it can even closely be related to "murder".

by ta2162 5y ago

That's not the definition of murder though, even if you feel like it is. I know we're in a post-fact world, but you don't get to magically decide what words mean.

falcolas 5y ago

And yet people have been convicted of murder for using similar techniques. There’s explicit examples in other comments to this article. Intent matters.

ta2162 5y ago
>And yet people have been convicted of murder for using similar techniques. No they haven't. >There’s explicit examples in other comments to this article. No there isn't.
- falcolas 5y ago
  > No there isn’t. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27656582 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27656582 > No they haven’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michelle-carter-found-guilty-encouraging-boyfriend-s-suicide-text-messages-n773306 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michelle-carter-found-g...
  - ta2162 5y ago
    >https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2765658 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2765658 Completely different scenario that's not even closely related. This example involved an intimate partner that was on the phone with the victim when he was clearly in an altered state, instructing him to go back into harm's way to kill himself. >https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michelle-carter-found-guilty-encouraging-boyfriend-s-suicide-text-messages-n773306 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michelle-carter-found-g... Literally the exact same case. I'll say it again: there have been no cases that supports what happened being called "murder".

dragonwriter 5y ago

> That's not the definition of murder though It’s usually, when criminally charged, been charged as a lesser degree of homicide (typically some form of manslaughter), but that's because its hard in that kind of case to prove premeditation, as the causation element is the same between murder and manslaughter. If there is actual premeditation, it fits within the definition of murder.

falcolas 5y ago
And I would think that the forums themselves could provide evidence of premeditation.
ta2162 5y ago
So, not the definition of murder/manslaughter, and the concept of "premeditation" doesn't even apply here. Got it.
ta2163 5y ago
It's not homicide nor manslaughter neither, and has no concept of "premeditation" at all. It's was a 10 page years old thread on an obscure gossip website. He was not doxxed (no one even knew his name), did not have threats posted there... I fail to see how it can even closely be related to "murder".