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and as a result of this, you're more innovative how...?

coldtea 5y ago
In that we have better internet for cheaper prices than the US, for example. Between national and state debts, Trump and the Dems electing a zombie, rampant crime, police brutality 10x that of the EU, no work-life balance, average citizens that are the laughing stock of the West education wise, huge inequality, depression and the opioeid epidemic, crumbling infrastructure, the largest incarceration rate per capita in the world, the western capital of nutty religious people and gun-lovers, how does your innovation work for you?
- refurb 5y ago
  This reads like a rant from someone whose entire view of the US is based on Reddit posts.
- kortilla 5y ago
  > how does your innovation work for you? Well it has produced the top tech companies and (most of the) top research universities in the world. So pretty well.
  - SOMA_BOFH 5y ago
    anecdotal
  - coldtea 5y ago
    And what exactly does the average citizen of the US gets out of this, given the above? Not even the tax money of those "top tech companies". Heck, some of those come to us (e.g. Ireland). As for their products, we can buy them just fine as well.
    - joelbluminator 5y ago
      This. Facebook, Google et al are American but will do everything they can to lock profits in low tax regions outside the U.S and they're also hiring more and more outside the U.S If Facebook stopped being American tomorrow I'm not sure the effect will be noticeable.
yoz-y 5y ago
I’m not claiming we are more innovative as a result. As a result we have much better mobile plans for example. Every time I see a Ting ad I marvel at how expensive their plans are, and then they compare that to the likes of Verizon…
sologoub 5y ago
So in ISP world, EU has better offerings than most of US, though US had a good 2020 when it comes to download speeds: https://fairinternetreport.com/research/usa-vs-europe-internet-speed-analysis https://fairinternetreport.com/research/usa-vs-europe-intern... However, upload speeds are still a joke in the US - I can’t buy more than 35mbps up, period. That comes with 1gbps down (in reality that’s never stable, so more like 800-900mbps). At previous home I had options of two providers with one offering symmetrical 1gbps fiber - that’s fairly rare in US. Costs are another issue - US ~$61 per month, OECD average is ~$37: https://www.broadbandsearch.net/blog/internet-costs-compared-worldwide https://www.broadbandsearch.net/blog/internet-costs-compared... Now this is mostly services innovation, not telecom tech itself, but still has very tangible benefits to consumers and barriers to operating a business.

In that we have better internet for cheaper prices than the US, for example. Between national and state debts, Trump and the Dems electing a zombie, rampant crime, police brutality 10x that of the EU, no work-life balance, average citizens that are the laughing stock of the West education wise, huge inequality, depression and the opioeid epidemic, crumbling infrastructure, the largest incarceration rate per capita in the world, the western capital of nutty religious people and gun-lovers, how does your innovation work for you?

refurb 5y ago
This reads like a rant from someone whose entire view of the US is based on Reddit posts.
kortilla 5y ago
> how does your innovation work for you? Well it has produced the top tech companies and (most of the) top research universities in the world. So pretty well.
- SOMA_BOFH 5y ago
  anecdotal
- coldtea 5y ago
  And what exactly does the average citizen of the US gets out of this, given the above? Not even the tax money of those "top tech companies". Heck, some of those come to us (e.g. Ireland). As for their products, we can buy them just fine as well.
  - joelbluminator 5y ago
    This. Facebook, Google et al are American but will do everything they can to lock profits in low tax regions outside the U.S and they're also hiring more and more outside the U.S If Facebook stopped being American tomorrow I'm not sure the effect will be noticeable.

yoz-y 5y ago

I’m not claiming we are more innovative as a result. As a result we have much better mobile plans for example. Every time I see a Ting ad I marvel at how expensive their plans are, and then they compare that to the likes of Verizon…

sologoub 5y ago

So in ISP world, EU has better offerings than most of US, though US had a good 2020 when it comes to download speeds: https://fairinternetreport.com/research/usa-vs-europe-internet-speed-analysis https://fairinternetreport.com/research/usa-vs-europe-intern... However, upload speeds are still a joke in the US - I can’t buy more than 35mbps up, period. That comes with 1gbps down (in reality that’s never stable, so more like 800-900mbps). At previous home I had options of two providers with one offering symmetrical 1gbps fiber - that’s fairly rare in US. Costs are another issue - US ~$61 per month, OECD average is ~$37: https://www.broadbandsearch.net/blog/internet-costs-compared-worldwide https://www.broadbandsearch.net/blog/internet-costs-compared... Now this is mostly services innovation, not telecom tech itself, but still has very tangible benefits to consumers and barriers to operating a business.