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What is the right way to collect this data, given that the frontline practitioners are actively discouraging any patients from making a connection for adverse r

What is the right way to collect this data, given that the frontline practitioners are actively discouraging any patients from making a connection for adverse reactions with the vaccine? Put another way: Isn’t VAERS a necessary solution to ensure that the healthcare system does not misrepresent the safety of the vaccines? Transparency should be a first principle requirement for science.

dv_dt 5y ago
After both doses of my vaccine I was given a link and instructions how to report adverse reactions.
- jb775 5y ago
  By the looks of it, you should keep that handy.
  - dv_dt 5y ago
    I’m a few weeks past the most likely time period for this to show up, and I can Google so not too worried about keeping it handy. If you do have symptoms I’d contact my regular doctor first anyway.
smhenderson 5y ago
given that the frontline practitioners are actively discouraging any patients from making a connection for adverse reactions with the vaccine? Do you have a source for this? As another poster replied, I was encouraged to report symptoms and given a packet with information on what to look out for, what to report and a website to do so. Same with my wife and two adult children.
- mypalmike 5y ago
  I was also encouraged to report symptoms (or lack thereof) through a website. Unfortunately the website was thoroughly broken and I was unable to do so.
  - smhenderson 5y ago
    I'll admit I did not even attempt to report anything. I didn't have any meaningful symptoms after my first shot (Moderna) and the symptoms I had after the second were pretty bad but also everything I expected based on what I heard from others. Chills, muscle aches, typical flu-like symptoms that lasted just about 24 hours. So I can't speak to the quality of any websites. But I do not recall anyone before the parent comment saying they were actively discouraged by health workers to not report symptoms.
- DaniloDias 5y ago
  Sources are first hand- sorry. Don’t have documentation to point to. Know of a two healthy people who were diagnosed with diabetes within a couple days of the second shot. Apparently this phenomenon is known for actual covid sufferers. https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/why-are-people-developing-diabetes-after-having-covid19 https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/why-are-people-developing...
Fomite 5y ago
The answer is a Phase IV clinical trial, which a number of vaccines have undergone post-approval and I suspect the COVID-19 vaccines will as well.
- DaniloDias 5y ago
  Does the fact that the major vaccine vendors are encouraging placebo recipients to be notified about their receipt of a placebo, plus encouragement that they go get the vaccine affect your confidence in the trial process for this vaccine? https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/969143015/long-term-studies-of-covid-19-vaccines-hurt-by-placebo-recipients-getting-immuni https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/9691430... “According to Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, interim analyses after approximately 2 months of follow-up suggest their vaccines are 90% to 95% effective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection, although no peer review of the data has been conducted to date. Both companies now claim they have an “ethical obligation” to offer vaccine as soon as possible to all participants who received placebo, considering the strong results and participants’ contribution to the research.“
  - Fomite 5y ago
    Honestly? No. In the face of a major pandemic, and with the size of the clinical trials and the effectiveness of the vaccines, the ethical obligations to the patients in the trial to unblind the results to get the participants vaccinated is pretty paramount. There are somewhat more exotic studies designs that can be used for post-unblinding monitoring work that meet the ethical obligations to the participants. But it's a good question.

dv_dt 5y ago

After both doses of my vaccine I was given a link and instructions how to report adverse reactions.

jb775 5y ago
By the looks of it, you should keep that handy.
- dv_dt 5y ago
  I’m a few weeks past the most likely time period for this to show up, and I can Google so not too worried about keeping it handy. If you do have symptoms I’d contact my regular doctor first anyway.

smhenderson 5y ago

given that the frontline practitioners are actively discouraging any patients from making a connection for adverse reactions with the vaccine? Do you have a source for this? As another poster replied, I was encouraged to report symptoms and given a packet with information on what to look out for, what to report and a website to do so. Same with my wife and two adult children.

mypalmike 5y ago
I was also encouraged to report symptoms (or lack thereof) through a website. Unfortunately the website was thoroughly broken and I was unable to do so.
- smhenderson 5y ago
  I'll admit I did not even attempt to report anything. I didn't have any meaningful symptoms after my first shot (Moderna) and the symptoms I had after the second were pretty bad but also everything I expected based on what I heard from others. Chills, muscle aches, typical flu-like symptoms that lasted just about 24 hours. So I can't speak to the quality of any websites. But I do not recall anyone before the parent comment saying they were actively discouraged by health workers to not report symptoms.
DaniloDias 5y ago
Sources are first hand- sorry. Don’t have documentation to point to. Know of a two healthy people who were diagnosed with diabetes within a couple days of the second shot. Apparently this phenomenon is known for actual covid sufferers. https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/why-are-people-developing-diabetes-after-having-covid19 https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/why-are-people-developing...

Fomite 5y ago

The answer is a Phase IV clinical trial, which a number of vaccines have undergone post-approval and I suspect the COVID-19 vaccines will as well.

DaniloDias 5y ago
Does the fact that the major vaccine vendors are encouraging placebo recipients to be notified about their receipt of a placebo, plus encouragement that they go get the vaccine affect your confidence in the trial process for this vaccine? https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/969143015/long-term-studies-of-covid-19-vaccines-hurt-by-placebo-recipients-getting-immuni https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/9691430... “According to Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, interim analyses after approximately 2 months of follow-up suggest their vaccines are 90% to 95% effective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection, although no peer review of the data has been conducted to date. Both companies now claim they have an “ethical obligation” to offer vaccine as soon as possible to all participants who received placebo, considering the strong results and participants’ contribution to the research.“
- Fomite 5y ago
  Honestly? No. In the face of a major pandemic, and with the size of the clinical trials and the effectiveness of the vaccines, the ethical obligations to the patients in the trial to unblind the results to get the participants vaccinated is pretty paramount. There are somewhat more exotic studies designs that can be used for post-unblinding monitoring work that meet the ethical obligations to the participants. But it's a good question.