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"It's more important to keep in mind that the CCP created hundreds of thousands of new jobs, raised minimum wage in many areas, and brought many people out of a

"It's more important to keep in mind that the CCP created hundreds of thousands of new jobs, raised minimum wage in many areas, and brought many people out of absolute poverty. No matter which way you look at it, a net positive rather than a negative." Your logic seems highly suspect.

chairmanwow1 5y ago
The CCP created hundreds of millions of new jobs and brought hundreds of millions of people out of absolute poverty. The CCP has its problems, but you must respect that so much economic growth has never happened so quickly for so many people in human history. A lot of people are living happier, more productive, more interesting lives because of the actions of the CCP.
- mint2 5y ago
  The question is would a similar number jobs have been created had there been another ruling party. It’s like giving trump credit for investing in the vaccine, it’s a near guarantee given America’s economy that the vaccine would have been invested in even if Mickey Mouse had been president. In my mind, neither Biden nor Trump get any credit for the vaccines. China saw massive famines due to the Great Leap Forward, ccp policy, killing millions. How do we know that had a different government been in power the jobs wouldn’t be created, perhaps faster like with Taiwan, and at the same time the famines avoided? So no, I’m not going to give the ccp credit for creating jobs that like as not would have anyway been created.
  - pauldickwin 5y ago
    Obviously, there are drawbacks with the CCP (and Amazon), but I can tell you one damn thing for sure: those people would not have been lifted out of poverty under the socialist/communist regime of Mao. Under that regime, people were mocked and tortured for working harder than others and trying to innovate. Deng Xiaoping embraced free markets and their own flavor of capitalism to bring this net positive to China.
- Matticus_Rex 5y ago
  When a government drastically restricts economic freedoms and then restricts them less than they did, you shouldn't praise that government for causing the increased prosperity that results -- it was their fault it wasn't happening in the first place, and they "helped" by getting out of the way. Sure, you can say the Deng Xiaoping CCP isn't the same as Mao's CCP, and there are aspects of that which are true. But at most, Deng's CCP was simply reducing the drastic limits on economic freedoms that the party had put in place. They're not causing the prosperity -- they're declining to continue stopping that prosperity from happening.
- mariodiana 5y ago
  Yes, I heard the Uighurs lives got a lot more interesting — but not quite yet as interesting as did the Jews of Germany, when the Nazi regime lifted a nation broken by war out of its funk. It's simply monstrous that we would compare Amazon — whatever criticisms someone might have for the company's business practices — with Communist China, and something like that needs to be called out.

chairmanwow1 5y ago

The CCP created hundreds of millions of new jobs and brought hundreds of millions of people out of absolute poverty. The CCP has its problems, but you must respect that so much economic growth has never happened so quickly for so many people in human history. A lot of people are living happier, more productive, more interesting lives because of the actions of the CCP.

mint2 5y ago
The question is would a similar number jobs have been created had there been another ruling party. It’s like giving trump credit for investing in the vaccine, it’s a near guarantee given America’s economy that the vaccine would have been invested in even if Mickey Mouse had been president. In my mind, neither Biden nor Trump get any credit for the vaccines. China saw massive famines due to the Great Leap Forward, ccp policy, killing millions. How do we know that had a different government been in power the jobs wouldn’t be created, perhaps faster like with Taiwan, and at the same time the famines avoided? So no, I’m not going to give the ccp credit for creating jobs that like as not would have anyway been created.
- pauldickwin 5y ago
  Obviously, there are drawbacks with the CCP (and Amazon), but I can tell you one damn thing for sure: those people would not have been lifted out of poverty under the socialist/communist regime of Mao. Under that regime, people were mocked and tortured for working harder than others and trying to innovate. Deng Xiaoping embraced free markets and their own flavor of capitalism to bring this net positive to China.
Matticus_Rex 5y ago
When a government drastically restricts economic freedoms and then restricts them less than they did, you shouldn't praise that government for causing the increased prosperity that results -- it was their fault it wasn't happening in the first place, and they "helped" by getting out of the way. Sure, you can say the Deng Xiaoping CCP isn't the same as Mao's CCP, and there are aspects of that which are true. But at most, Deng's CCP was simply reducing the drastic limits on economic freedoms that the party had put in place. They're not causing the prosperity -- they're declining to continue stopping that prosperity from happening.
mariodiana 5y ago
Yes, I heard the Uighurs lives got a lot more interesting — but not quite yet as interesting as did the Jews of Germany, when the Nazi regime lifted a nation broken by war out of its funk. It's simply monstrous that we would compare Amazon — whatever criticisms someone might have for the company's business practices — with Communist China, and something like that needs to be called out.