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> It preys on and fuels women’s insecurities to sell them throwaway products made by borderline-enslaved Cambodians. It sounds like you've never used Depop or

by akarma 5y ago

> It preys on and fuels women’s insecurities to sell them throwaway products made by borderline-enslaved Cambodians. It sounds like you've never used Depop or learned about it before writing this comment. Depop is the exact opposite. It's a solution to what you're framing as a problem. Depop is a way to recycle clothing rather than throwing it out and buying more - it is actually a reaction to the exact fast fashion you're complaining about.

samhh 5y ago
The first R is reduce. The second is reuse. Our cultural obsession with fashion completely bypasses each of these.
- SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
  Oh, but those R’s are hard and not fun. What’s really fun is throwing all anything plastic including wrappers, #5, #7, any metal, any paper basically anything but food into the blue recycling tub that someone comes to pick up and then I can smuggly look down on people that “don’t even care about the planet”, I’m doing my part by blankly assuming all my “recycling” isn’t going into a landfill! ... I wish I would still count the number of people that think that, but it’s too many. I try to “not buy shit”, and Im pretty sure it’s a lot harder than wishcycling.
- Quinner 5y ago
  Depop is reuse. Progress is made on the margins. Absolutist judgement of something a lot of people like does nothing to help.
- rland 5y ago
  I think depot would count as reuse, right?. Honestly, I'm stoked whenever we manage to make it past "recycle." I'd be happier if they announced that recycling was fake and everything you throw in the blue bin is trash.
  - samhh 5y ago
    Perhaps, but I think it can be argued that it encourages more consumerism. The market for second-hand selling may encourage those sellers to buy more new. Fundamentally the idea of an everchanging fashion is problematic, not just environmentally but also otherwise.
spoonjim 5y ago
I’m not talking about Depop, I’m talking about why I hold the fashion industry in low regard.
- krustyburger 5y ago
  Your whole original comment just seems pretty anachronistic in 2021. Especially as Pride month kicks off, I’d caution you against holding on to antiquated views that the fashion industry is only something for women or has to do primarily with their insecurities. Whatever else it is, fashion to me is about both aspiration and inspiration. It is something that is creative not just for designers, but also their fans and customers. It is fundamentally about encouraging people to imagine themselves in new ways. It is emphatically not just some one-way broadcast aimed at a certain, supposedly more impressionable, gender.
Jackpillar 5y ago
Unfortunately that's not necessarily the case. People run full on dropshipping businesses on Depop under the guise of handmade/second hand clothing. There is also widespread "thrift hauls" on Depop where 20 something rich people ransack thrift stores which are staples in low-income communities and sell on Depop for 10x. Depop doesn't do anything to counter the hypercapitalist and wasteful fashion industry - its just another component to it. https://www.vox.com/the-goods/22396051/thrift-store-hauls-ethics-depop https://www.vox.com/the-goods/22396051/thrift-store-hauls-et...
- CPLX 5y ago
  This comment is pretty reactionary and maybe doesn't deserve a reply but I've seen variations on this criticism before and as someone that's worked in this space it doesn't make any sense: > There is also widespread "thrift hauls" on Depop where 20 something rich people ransack thrift stores which are staples in low-income communities This complaint seems to be based on a profound delusion, which is that the social mission of thrift stores is to provide cheap clothing for people who don't have much money. The charity aspect of thrift stores, at least historically, has been the money that you give them when you buy stuff there. So in fact the whole point of the enterprise is to have people who have stuff they don't need donate it to a worthy cause, who sell it to people with money who want it, and then they take the money that they make this way and give it to people who need money or use it to provide needed services etc. Nobody is "ransacking" a charity by doing the exact thing the charity is hoping people will do, which is giving the charity money that can be used to further charitable activities.
  - subpixel 5y ago
    > The charity aspect of thrift stores, at least historically, has been the money that you give them when you buy stuff there. That's actually completely backwards. The public good that a thrift store provides is to make cheap, essential things accessible to people who can't afford anything else. Goodwill is a nonprofit because there is no profit in making cheap, essential things accessible to people who can't afford to anything else.

by akarma 5y ago

samhh 5y ago

The first R is reduce. The second is reuse. Our cultural obsession with fashion completely bypasses each of these.

SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
Oh, but those R’s are hard and not fun. What’s really fun is throwing all anything plastic including wrappers, #5, #7, any metal, any paper basically anything but food into the blue recycling tub that someone comes to pick up and then I can smuggly look down on people that “don’t even care about the planet”, I’m doing my part by blankly assuming all my “recycling” isn’t going into a landfill! ... I wish I would still count the number of people that think that, but it’s too many. I try to “not buy shit”, and Im pretty sure it’s a lot harder than wishcycling.
Quinner 5y ago
Depop is reuse. Progress is made on the margins. Absolutist judgement of something a lot of people like does nothing to help.
rland 5y ago
I think depot would count as reuse, right?. Honestly, I'm stoked whenever we manage to make it past "recycle." I'd be happier if they announced that recycling was fake and everything you throw in the blue bin is trash.
- samhh 5y ago
  Perhaps, but I think it can be argued that it encourages more consumerism. The market for second-hand selling may encourage those sellers to buy more new. Fundamentally the idea of an everchanging fashion is problematic, not just environmentally but also otherwise.

spoonjim 5y ago

I’m not talking about Depop, I’m talking about why I hold the fashion industry in low regard.

krustyburger 5y ago
Your whole original comment just seems pretty anachronistic in 2021. Especially as Pride month kicks off, I’d caution you against holding on to antiquated views that the fashion industry is only something for women or has to do primarily with their insecurities. Whatever else it is, fashion to me is about both aspiration and inspiration. It is something that is creative not just for designers, but also their fans and customers. It is fundamentally about encouraging people to imagine themselves in new ways. It is emphatically not just some one-way broadcast aimed at a certain, supposedly more impressionable, gender.

Jackpillar 5y ago

Unfortunately that's not necessarily the case. People run full on dropshipping businesses on Depop under the guise of handmade/second hand clothing. There is also widespread "thrift hauls" on Depop where 20 something rich people ransack thrift stores which are staples in low-income communities and sell on Depop for 10x. Depop doesn't do anything to counter the hypercapitalist and wasteful fashion industry - its just another component to it. https://www.vox.com/the-goods/22396051/thrift-store-hauls-ethics-depop https://www.vox.com/the-goods/22396051/thrift-store-hauls-et...

CPLX 5y ago
This comment is pretty reactionary and maybe doesn't deserve a reply but I've seen variations on this criticism before and as someone that's worked in this space it doesn't make any sense: > There is also widespread "thrift hauls" on Depop where 20 something rich people ransack thrift stores which are staples in low-income communities This complaint seems to be based on a profound delusion, which is that the social mission of thrift stores is to provide cheap clothing for people who don't have much money. The charity aspect of thrift stores, at least historically, has been the money that you give them when you buy stuff there. So in fact the whole point of the enterprise is to have people who have stuff they don't need donate it to a worthy cause, who sell it to people with money who want it, and then they take the money that they make this way and give it to people who need money or use it to provide needed services etc. Nobody is "ransacking" a charity by doing the exact thing the charity is hoping people will do, which is giving the charity money that can be used to further charitable activities.
- subpixel 5y ago
  > The charity aspect of thrift stores, at least historically, has been the money that you give them when you buy stuff there. That's actually completely backwards. The public good that a thrift store provides is to make cheap, essential things accessible to people who can't afford anything else. Goodwill is a nonprofit because there is no profit in making cheap, essential things accessible to people who can't afford to anything else.