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Taken to the extreme is the US Government's TreasuryDirect website, where individuals can buy savings bonds. Instead of allowing you to type your password, they

Taken to the extreme is the US Government's TreasuryDirect website, where individuals can buy savings bonds. Instead of allowing you to type your password, they render a "virtual keyboard" that you have to use your mouse to click the keys one by one. Oh, and that password? Not case sensitive.

jolux 5y ago
> Oh, and that password? Not case sensitive. What, you expect them to make a case-sensitive version of NTFS just to store your password??
- emodendroket 5y ago
  NTFS is case-sensitive.
  - Agent766 5y ago
    They made a case-insensitive version of NTFS just to store your password
  - jolux 5y ago
    I think it’s internally case sensitive and provides case insensitive APIs to users, right?
    - Barracoon 5y ago
      Right, win32 is insensitive
  - bradknowles 5y ago
    It is case-preserving, but not case-sensitive. So, it will show you what was entered and make you think it’s case-sensitive, but then when you go to do the comparison, it actually ignores case. The stupid thing is that MacOS was also case-preserving but not case-sensitive for a long time.
    - nathell 5y ago
      APFS still defaults to case-preserving: [nathell@macmini /tmp]$ echo first > A [nathell@macmini /tmp]$ echo second > a [nathell@macmini /tmp]$ cat A second
    - emodendroket 5y ago
      That's how Windows will behave but not actually how the underlying filesystem does.
Slump 5y ago
Hard to believe it requires a mouse. The government (everyone really but especially the government) generally would need to follow basic ADA guidelines...
ratcline 5y ago
I heard that systems like this were designed when there was a point in time(this may just be erroneous and such a time never actually existed) where keyloggers were more common than RATs, so government websites would often have this requirement due to the higher probability of access from public computers(library, etc), since that was also a point in time when fewer people had their own at home.

jolux 5y ago

> Oh, and that password? Not case sensitive. What, you expect them to make a case-sensitive version of NTFS just to store your password??

emodendroket 5y ago
NTFS is case-sensitive.
- Agent766 5y ago
  They made a case-insensitive version of NTFS just to store your password
- jolux 5y ago
  I think it’s internally case sensitive and provides case insensitive APIs to users, right?
  - Barracoon 5y ago
    Right, win32 is insensitive
- bradknowles 5y ago
  It is case-preserving, but not case-sensitive. So, it will show you what was entered and make you think it’s case-sensitive, but then when you go to do the comparison, it actually ignores case. The stupid thing is that MacOS was also case-preserving but not case-sensitive for a long time.
  - nathell 5y ago
    APFS still defaults to case-preserving: [nathell@macmini /tmp]$ echo first > A [nathell@macmini /tmp]$ echo second > a [nathell@macmini /tmp]$ cat A second
  - emodendroket 5y ago
    That's how Windows will behave but not actually how the underlying filesystem does.

Slump 5y ago

Hard to believe it requires a mouse. The government (everyone really but especially the government) generally would need to follow basic ADA guidelines...

ratcline 5y ago

I heard that systems like this were designed when there was a point in time(this may just be erroneous and such a time never actually existed) where keyloggers were more common than RATs, so government websites would often have this requirement due to the higher probability of access from public computers(library, etc), since that was also a point in time when fewer people had their own at home.