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Why would you spend money on crappy and locked down hardware that can't be fixed. A computer that you don't own but basically rent. Get a Lenovo Thinkpad and jo

by madis 5y ago

Why would you spend money on crappy and locked down hardware that can't be fixed. A computer that you don't own but basically rent. Get a Lenovo Thinkpad and join the light side, you'll be amazed!

BusTrainBus 5y ago
Lenovo is a Chinese company.
- mukesh610 5y ago
  So?
ImprobableTruth 5y ago
Well, the performance is pretty good...
princekolt 5y ago
“Aaaaa look at me I am right you are wrong aaaa”
raxxorrax 5y ago
> locked down hardware not every register!
breakfastduck 5y ago
Whatever your opinions on Apples policies and behavior it's just ignorant to call the M1 'crappy' when it absolutely annihilates any processor in its class and doesn't at all get embarrassed when compared to high end desktop CPUs.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  CPUs are a chump's game, and it's no surprise that Apple, the company with sole access to next-generation silicon, was able to reach last-generation performance on a laptop chip. Nobody freaked out when AMD's Ryzen 7 4800u hit 4ghz over 8 cores, I don't see a reason why I should freak out now when Apple's doing it with 10 less watts. Plus, that's only the CPU side of things. The M1's GPU is annihilated by most GPUs in it's class... from 2014. Fast forwards to 2021, and it's graphics performance is honestly pathetic. Remember our friend the 4800u? It's integrated GPU is able to beat the M1's GPU in raw benchmarks, and it came out 18 months before it. So yeah, I think there are a lot of workloads where the M1 is a pretty crappy CPU. Unless your workload is CPU-bound, there's not really much of a reason to own one. And even still, the M1 doesn't guarantee compatibility with legacy software. It doesn't have a functional hypervisor, and it has lower IO bandwidth than most CPUs from a decade ago. Not really something I'd consider viable as a "daily driver", at least for my workload.
  - breakfastduck 5y ago
    Not being viable as your daily driver does not make it crappy. But you heard it here first guys, building CPUs is a chumps game. And you see no reason to celebrate the first genuinely viable, power-efficient and fast non x86 CPU being a mass success. Fine I guess, but I don't agree. Also not sure why you wave away CPU bound workloads as though they don't exist or somehow lesser.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      > Not being viable as your daily driver does not make it crappy. What does it make it then? Some unicorn device that I'm unworthy of? Is there something wrong with my workload, or Apple's? Apple is marketing the M1 to computer users. I'm a computer user, and I cannot use it as part of my workflow, I have every right to voice that concern to Apple. > And you see no reason to celebrate the first genuinely viable, power-efficient and fast non x86 CPU being a mass success. You must be late to the party, ARM has been around for years. Apple's power efficiency is about on-par with what should be expected from a 5nm ARM chip with a gimped GPU. What is there to celebrate, that Apple had the initiative to buy out the entirety of the 5nm node at TSCM, plunging the entire world into a semiconductor shortage unlike anything ever seen before? Yeah, great job Apple. I think it was worth disrupting the global economy so you could ship your supercharged Raspberry Pi /s > Also not sure why you wave away CPU bound workloads as though they don't exist or somehow lesser. CPU-bound workloads absolutely exist, but who's running them on a Mac? Hell, more importantly, who's running them on ARM? x86 still has a better value proposition than ARM in the datacenter/server market, and most local workloads are hardware-accelerated these days. I really don't know what to tell you.
      - breakfastduck 5y ago
        Audio production is almost entirely CPU bound, to give one example. Who's running them on ARM? Not many now, but everything starts somewhere. It's called progress. You say it's 'to be expected' - well no one else has done it, have they?
  - krunkcoin 5y ago
- DeliriumTrigger 5y ago
  Yeah, after two failed Macbooks from 2016 because of their ssds I can just say stay away from apple hardware until they reverse course on storage devices.
eyelidlessness 5y ago
Why would you let my computer preference affect you this much?

by madis 5y ago

Why would you spend money on crappy and locked down hardware that can't be fixed. A computer that you don't own but basically rent. Get a Lenovo Thinkpad and join the light side, you'll be amazed!

BusTrainBus 5y ago

Lenovo is a Chinese company.

mukesh610 5y ago
So?

ImprobableTruth 5y ago

Well, the performance is pretty good...

princekolt 5y ago

“Aaaaa look at me I am right you are wrong aaaa”

raxxorrax 5y ago

> locked down hardware not every register!

breakfastduck 5y ago

Whatever your opinions on Apples policies and behavior it's just ignorant to call the M1 'crappy' when it absolutely annihilates any processor in its class and doesn't at all get embarrassed when compared to high end desktop CPUs.

smoldesu 5y ago
CPUs are a chump's game, and it's no surprise that Apple, the company with sole access to next-generation silicon, was able to reach last-generation performance on a laptop chip. Nobody freaked out when AMD's Ryzen 7 4800u hit 4ghz over 8 cores, I don't see a reason why I should freak out now when Apple's doing it with 10 less watts. Plus, that's only the CPU side of things. The M1's GPU is annihilated by most GPUs in it's class... from 2014. Fast forwards to 2021, and it's graphics performance is honestly pathetic. Remember our friend the 4800u? It's integrated GPU is able to beat the M1's GPU in raw benchmarks, and it came out 18 months before it. So yeah, I think there are a lot of workloads where the M1 is a pretty crappy CPU. Unless your workload is CPU-bound, there's not really much of a reason to own one. And even still, the M1 doesn't guarantee compatibility with legacy software. It doesn't have a functional hypervisor, and it has lower IO bandwidth than most CPUs from a decade ago. Not really something I'd consider viable as a "daily driver", at least for my workload.
- breakfastduck 5y ago
  Not being viable as your daily driver does not make it crappy. But you heard it here first guys, building CPUs is a chumps game. And you see no reason to celebrate the first genuinely viable, power-efficient and fast non x86 CPU being a mass success. Fine I guess, but I don't agree. Also not sure why you wave away CPU bound workloads as though they don't exist or somehow lesser.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    > Not being viable as your daily driver does not make it crappy. What does it make it then? Some unicorn device that I'm unworthy of? Is there something wrong with my workload, or Apple's? Apple is marketing the M1 to computer users. I'm a computer user, and I cannot use it as part of my workflow, I have every right to voice that concern to Apple. > And you see no reason to celebrate the first genuinely viable, power-efficient and fast non x86 CPU being a mass success. You must be late to the party, ARM has been around for years. Apple's power efficiency is about on-par with what should be expected from a 5nm ARM chip with a gimped GPU. What is there to celebrate, that Apple had the initiative to buy out the entirety of the 5nm node at TSCM, plunging the entire world into a semiconductor shortage unlike anything ever seen before? Yeah, great job Apple. I think it was worth disrupting the global economy so you could ship your supercharged Raspberry Pi /s > Also not sure why you wave away CPU bound workloads as though they don't exist or somehow lesser. CPU-bound workloads absolutely exist, but who's running them on a Mac? Hell, more importantly, who's running them on ARM? x86 still has a better value proposition than ARM in the datacenter/server market, and most local workloads are hardware-accelerated these days. I really don't know what to tell you.
    - breakfastduck 5y ago
      Audio production is almost entirely CPU bound, to give one example. Who's running them on ARM? Not many now, but everything starts somewhere. It's called progress. You say it's 'to be expected' - well no one else has done it, have they?
- krunkcoin 5y ago
DeliriumTrigger 5y ago
Yeah, after two failed Macbooks from 2016 because of their ssds I can just say stay away from apple hardware until they reverse course on storage devices.

eyelidlessness 5y ago

Why would you let my computer preference affect you this much?