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It's what some would call Coulter's Corollary: >Named after a 2015 tweet from provocative conservative political commentator, Ann Coulter, Coulter's Law states

It's what some would call Coulter's Corollary: >Named after a 2015 tweet from provocative conservative political commentator, Ann Coulter, Coulter's Law states that the longer it takes the news media to identify a mass shooter in the United States, the less likely it is to be a white male.

nemothekid 5y ago
That seems like a useless corollary, nor does it answer my question. I can't tell if you are intentionally trying to erase the motivations and replace them with skin color. There is an ideological difference between a white teenager shooting up a black church and a black teenager shooting a gang. Only in one did race play a motivation in the shooting. Coming back to my point, the GP is claiming there is an ideologically motivated uptick in crime where black people, specifically, are attacking asians. I'm not even arguing that he might be wrong, but I'm seeing this trope a lot more and I want to find out if there's any actual theory behind it or if I'm just going to find more 13/52.
- arionhardison 5y ago
  Yes, this is HN so you are 100% correct. Asians and whites are the majority here so blacks are constantly demonized even though anti-blackness is literally a fundamental part of asian culture. HN has a very "high-brow" intelligent crowd, if this was reddit they would just go ahead and use a slur. Intrestengly enough, even though this comment will be down voted and flagged, my asian friends are the ones that explained these things to me. Here is a video one of my asian friends sent to me, its a bit long but actually quite informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXo2ub_nZFc&t=1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXo2ub_nZFc&t=1s Unlike in America, its actually 100% accepted and seen as the norm to be "anti-black": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Few8kJ0zfnY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Few8kJ0zfnY. This is also why Asia/India are the largest market for skin lightning cream. Objectively, I find it quite fascinating and it was very interesting for me to learn about. The book: Blacks And Asians: Crossings, Conflict And Commonality goes much deeper into the topic if you are interested.
  - arionhardison 5y ago
    Ironically, banning comments and perspectives like mine is not seen as the same thing as banning this person from telling their story.
- haram_masala 5y ago
  Just to explore this: what exactly is your objection to the often-cited observation that black people, who are 13% of the population, commit 52% of the violent crimes? I don’t even know if that’s accurate - if not, then surely that’s the biggest problem with it. But if it’s true, then why is it a dog whistle? I’m not challenging you here, I’m trying to understand why it’s wrong to state it in this kind of context.
  - nemothekid 5y ago
    Because most people who use that rhetoric will always imply the disparity exists because of genetic disposition rather than a social one. The logic tree goes from "black people commit a lot of violent crime" to "black people are dangerous" (then from there to other various racist tropes), while ignoring the mountain of other socioeconmic issues. Consider this, if I told you Koreans only make 1% of Japan but they make up 70% of the Yakuza, what would you take away from that? The observation is true. But do you think I'm making a fair implication about Koreans in general? What if I said next that the Japanese police should be free to treat Koreans anyway they fit? Would you agree to that? I hope you would see that as insane, but that is line of reasoning that always happens with 13/52. So currently when I read "black on asian violence is increasing" I'm not sure yet whether I can believe the author is making a fairly reasoned observation about black people ideologically attacking asians, or if they are calling for a "force" to "take a closer look at those black people".
    - haram_masala 5y ago
      You make a very good point. Regarding the Korean example, I’d conclude that Koreans are more likely to get involved in organized crime in Japan because of structural factors of Japanese society and economy.
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      - rkk3 5y ago
        They are factually incorrect about 70% of the Yakuza being Korean. "While ethnic Koreans make up only 0.5% of the Japanese population, they are a prominent part of Yakuza ... The Japanese National Police Agency suggested Koreans composed 10% of the Yakuza proper" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuza#:~:text=According%20to%20a%202006%20speech,percent%20are%20from%20non%2Dburakumin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuza#:~:text=According%20to%...

nemothekid 5y ago

That seems like a useless corollary, nor does it answer my question. I can't tell if you are intentionally trying to erase the motivations and replace them with skin color. There is an ideological difference between a white teenager shooting up a black church and a black teenager shooting a gang. Only in one did race play a motivation in the shooting. Coming back to my point, the GP is claiming there is an ideologically motivated uptick in crime where black people, specifically, are attacking asians. I'm not even arguing that he might be wrong, but I'm seeing this trope a lot more and I want to find out if there's any actual theory behind it or if I'm just going to find more 13/52.

arionhardison 5y ago
Yes, this is HN so you are 100% correct. Asians and whites are the majority here so blacks are constantly demonized even though anti-blackness is literally a fundamental part of asian culture. HN has a very "high-brow" intelligent crowd, if this was reddit they would just go ahead and use a slur. Intrestengly enough, even though this comment will be down voted and flagged, my asian friends are the ones that explained these things to me. Here is a video one of my asian friends sent to me, its a bit long but actually quite informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXo2ub_nZFc&t=1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXo2ub_nZFc&t=1s Unlike in America, its actually 100% accepted and seen as the norm to be "anti-black": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Few8kJ0zfnY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Few8kJ0zfnY. This is also why Asia/India are the largest market for skin lightning cream. Objectively, I find it quite fascinating and it was very interesting for me to learn about. The book: Blacks And Asians: Crossings, Conflict And Commonality goes much deeper into the topic if you are interested.
- arionhardison 5y ago
  Ironically, banning comments and perspectives like mine is not seen as the same thing as banning this person from telling their story.
haram_masala 5y ago
Just to explore this: what exactly is your objection to the often-cited observation that black people, who are 13% of the population, commit 52% of the violent crimes? I don’t even know if that’s accurate - if not, then surely that’s the biggest problem with it. But if it’s true, then why is it a dog whistle? I’m not challenging you here, I’m trying to understand why it’s wrong to state it in this kind of context.
- nemothekid 5y ago
  Because most people who use that rhetoric will always imply the disparity exists because of genetic disposition rather than a social one. The logic tree goes from "black people commit a lot of violent crime" to "black people are dangerous" (then from there to other various racist tropes), while ignoring the mountain of other socioeconmic issues. Consider this, if I told you Koreans only make 1% of Japan but they make up 70% of the Yakuza, what would you take away from that? The observation is true. But do you think I'm making a fair implication about Koreans in general? What if I said next that the Japanese police should be free to treat Koreans anyway they fit? Would you agree to that? I hope you would see that as insane, but that is line of reasoning that always happens with 13/52. So currently when I read "black on asian violence is increasing" I'm not sure yet whether I can believe the author is making a fairly reasoned observation about black people ideologically attacking asians, or if they are calling for a "force" to "take a closer look at those black people".
  - haram_masala 5y ago
    You make a very good point. Regarding the Korean example, I’d conclude that Koreans are more likely to get involved in organized crime in Japan because of structural factors of Japanese society and economy.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - rkk3 5y ago
      They are factually incorrect about 70% of the Yakuza being Korean. "While ethnic Koreans make up only 0.5% of the Japanese population, they are a prominent part of Yakuza ... The Japanese National Police Agency suggested Koreans composed 10% of the Yakuza proper" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuza#:~:text=According%20to%20a%202006%20speech,percent%20are%20from%20non%2Dburakumin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuza#:~:text=According%20to%...