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ATX12VO[1] is a proposed major change to PSUs that hopefully will come in the near future. It will mean simpler (cheaper) designs and improved efficiency. I hop

by lini 5y ago

ATX12VO[1] is a proposed major change to PSUs that hopefully will come in the near future. It will mean simpler (cheaper) designs and improved efficiency. I hope that the DIY market adopts ATX12VO before my next upgrade. Currently only OEMs have the ability build PCs with these kinds of PSUs. [1] https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/guides/single-rail-power-supply-platform-atx12vo-design-guide.pdf https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents...

dhdc 5y ago
...which puts all the DC conversion on the motherboard. Honestly, I can't tell if this is a good thing or a bad thing. On the plus side, power supplies will be much simpler to design and test, with potentially better efficiencies. On the other hand, all those additional DC-DC converters will take up quite a bit of space on the already crammed boards, and now you got more heat to manage.
- agumonkey 5y ago
  fair point
- formerly_proven 5y ago
  It recognizes how things are already. The 5 V and 3.3 V step-down converters in the PSU are pretty much only for Molex/SATA-connected peripherals, and those don't use 3.3 V anyway (99.5 % of them), since it's not guaranteed to be there. So the 3.3 V rail is pretty much pointless. 5 V not quite as much, but even in an enthusiast-level PC there will be probably just a handful of things actually connected to that - most likely SSD/HDD and maybe something like a fan controller. No heavy loads are connected to the 5 V / 3.3 V rails. Those are all supplied through the 12 V rail.
  - dhdc 5y ago
    I am pretty sure M.2 uses 3.3V exclusively, and depending on the implementation, RAM sometimes gets its power from down regulated 3.3V as well. Though you do have a good point, nobody misses -12V and -5V.
    - jlgaddis 5y ago
      > nobody misses -12V Some of us (masochists) actually like RS-232!
    - formerly_proven 5y ago
      Yes, there's actually a lot of stuff that uses 3.3 V, e.g. anything connected to smbus. But none of them connect directly to the PSU, so there is no need for the PSU to do it.
  - whatevaa 5y ago
    I remember reading about some people adding so much RGB stuff into their system to actually run into current (A) maximums on power supply 5V rail, so there might be some exceptions, though not many.
    - pantalaimon 5y ago
      USB is also 5V
  - toast0 5y ago
    > The 5 V and 3.3 V step-down converters in the PSU are pretty much only for Molex/SATA-connected peripherals, and those don't use 3.3 V anyway (99.5 % of them), since it's not guaranteed to be there. Yeah, not only is 3.3V not guaranteed to be there, the latest rev of the SATA power spec reused (at least one) of those pins as a signal to inhibit spin-up; used for power sequencing in large disk arrays, with the fun side effect that if you've got a PSU old enough to have 3.3v on sata power, and you use a hard drive new enough to support spin-up inhibiting, you need to either tape the pin, or cut the orange wire, or you can't use your disks.

by lini 5y ago

dhdc 5y ago

...which puts all the DC conversion on the motherboard. Honestly, I can't tell if this is a good thing or a bad thing. On the plus side, power supplies will be much simpler to design and test, with potentially better efficiencies. On the other hand, all those additional DC-DC converters will take up quite a bit of space on the already crammed boards, and now you got more heat to manage.

agumonkey 5y ago
fair point
formerly_proven 5y ago
It recognizes how things are already. The 5 V and 3.3 V step-down converters in the PSU are pretty much only for Molex/SATA-connected peripherals, and those don't use 3.3 V anyway (99.5 % of them), since it's not guaranteed to be there. So the 3.3 V rail is pretty much pointless. 5 V not quite as much, but even in an enthusiast-level PC there will be probably just a handful of things actually connected to that - most likely SSD/HDD and maybe something like a fan controller. No heavy loads are connected to the 5 V / 3.3 V rails. Those are all supplied through the 12 V rail.
- dhdc 5y ago
  I am pretty sure M.2 uses 3.3V exclusively, and depending on the implementation, RAM sometimes gets its power from down regulated 3.3V as well. Though you do have a good point, nobody misses -12V and -5V.
  - jlgaddis 5y ago
    > nobody misses -12V Some of us (masochists) actually like RS-232!
  - formerly_proven 5y ago
    Yes, there's actually a lot of stuff that uses 3.3 V, e.g. anything connected to smbus. But none of them connect directly to the PSU, so there is no need for the PSU to do it.
- whatevaa 5y ago
  I remember reading about some people adding so much RGB stuff into their system to actually run into current (A) maximums on power supply 5V rail, so there might be some exceptions, though not many.
  - pantalaimon 5y ago
    USB is also 5V
- toast0 5y ago
  > The 5 V and 3.3 V step-down converters in the PSU are pretty much only for Molex/SATA-connected peripherals, and those don't use 3.3 V anyway (99.5 % of them), since it's not guaranteed to be there. Yeah, not only is 3.3V not guaranteed to be there, the latest rev of the SATA power spec reused (at least one) of those pins as a signal to inhibit spin-up; used for power sequencing in large disk arrays, with the fun side effect that if you've got a PSU old enough to have 3.3v on sata power, and you use a hard drive new enough to support spin-up inhibiting, you need to either tape the pin, or cut the orange wire, or you can't use your disks.