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Follow my directions: install to the rescue partition, boot DiskUtility, erase drive, then try to clean install. After that, come back and report your results.

Follow my directions: install to the rescue partition, boot DiskUtility, erase drive, then try to clean install. After that, come back and report your results. meta: It's getting insane the lengths you must go to to back up a simple statement on HN. I'm seriously about to do blowup an entire machine just to win this.... :(

wmf 15y ago
Don't bother; if someone doesn't want to believe you they'll just make up a reason to not believe any evidence you provide. Just walk away.
- mishmash 15y ago
  blows off steam Thanks, you're absolutely right. It's sad I even needed the reminder. peace :)
- llambda 15y ago
  What evidence? Sorry but this is simply baseless FUD. I've installed the seeds, I've done so without an Internet connection, and I've never had to provide any kind of license or proof of purchase. Never. If you want to make a claim that Apple is moving towards the Windows licensing model or even just the requirement of a license with Lion then you better be prepared to back up that claim with proof. Also please explain how I was able to install without running into the supposed "licensing" difficulties you seem to have run into? (e.g. the requirement of being connected to the Internet) Edit: by requiring a license, I mean that the software enforces it. The "AppStore validation" notwithstanding, which the current seeds do not seem to use fwiw, where is the evidence? Because the seeds can be installed sans-Internet and without an Apple ID, there doesn't seem to be any evidence for this claim. Edit 2: the image linked below is not of a local install: "To download and restore Mac OS X, your computer's eligibility will be verified with Apple." As previously stated, installation does not require online activation. Also I would like to point out, if you are restoring from a back up in the cloud, e.g. iCloud, you damn well better hope Apple verifies your credentials! If you're simply wanting to re-download, I don't know why you're complaining Apple is checking your credentials? At any rate, installing from the local media works without any such requirements; you do not need an Internet connection and you do not need an Apple ID. Now, can we stop with the FUD?
  - mishmash 15y ago
    > What evidence? Now, the question is, are you man-enough to apologize? http://i.imgur.com/ziYaW.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ziYaW.jpg edit: and the GM is still broke. :(
    - ugh 15y ago
      You guys are funny! ;-) Pretty strange that Apple does something like this, they never did any kind of verification in the past. I installed DP1 or DP2 on an empty disk using the DMG inside the app bundle and if I remember correctly (I might well not) there was no verification. Maybe it only kicks in when you install from the recovery partition? But why? I completely forgot to check whether the GM install app still includes the installer DMG and I apparently can’t check anymore since that app was apparently deleted after I installed the update. That didn’t happen before. Since I’m nervous without that DMG I’m going to download Lion from the App Store again (that works but it takes time). Edit: I just checked, the recovery partition is only 650MB. You are re-downloading the whole or large parts of the installer (3.75GB in size) when installing from the recovery partition. Apple checks whether you can re-download Lion. (The same happens when you re-download Lion from the App Store.) I guess if you really want you can call this “activation” but I don’t really know how Apple should do it differently. Your Mac sends a request to a Server somewhere in order to download the installer. I’m fairly certain that without any activation it would be very simple to fake such a request and just download the installer at will. It would be no different from Apple putting Lion on a public server somewhere, for everyone to download. The only way to prevent this is – as far as I know – to do some kind of verification. What they could maybe do is to already put parts of the installer on the recovery partition, that way whatever is downloaded from Apple’s servers wouldn’t work without a recovery partition (which you can only get if you at one point had the Lion installer app). I’m, however, not sure that’s worth the trouble. When you install from the installer app (I don’t know whether a clean install is possible if you do that, probably not) and when you install using the DMG inside the installer app bundle (it’s still there in the Lion GM) your installation is not verified. That makes sense, I guess.
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wmf 15y ago

Don't bother; if someone doesn't want to believe you they'll just make up a reason to not believe any evidence you provide. Just walk away.

mishmash 15y ago
blows off steam Thanks, you're absolutely right. It's sad I even needed the reminder. peace :)
llambda 15y ago
What evidence? Sorry but this is simply baseless FUD. I've installed the seeds, I've done so without an Internet connection, and I've never had to provide any kind of license or proof of purchase. Never. If you want to make a claim that Apple is moving towards the Windows licensing model or even just the requirement of a license with Lion then you better be prepared to back up that claim with proof. Also please explain how I was able to install without running into the supposed "licensing" difficulties you seem to have run into? (e.g. the requirement of being connected to the Internet) Edit: by requiring a license, I mean that the software enforces it. The "AppStore validation" notwithstanding, which the current seeds do not seem to use fwiw, where is the evidence? Because the seeds can be installed sans-Internet and without an Apple ID, there doesn't seem to be any evidence for this claim. Edit 2: the image linked below is not of a local install: "To download and restore Mac OS X, your computer's eligibility will be verified with Apple." As previously stated, installation does not require online activation. Also I would like to point out, if you are restoring from a back up in the cloud, e.g. iCloud, you damn well better hope Apple verifies your credentials! If you're simply wanting to re-download, I don't know why you're complaining Apple is checking your credentials? At any rate, installing from the local media works without any such requirements; you do not need an Internet connection and you do not need an Apple ID. Now, can we stop with the FUD?
- mishmash 15y ago
  > What evidence? Now, the question is, are you man-enough to apologize? http://i.imgur.com/ziYaW.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ziYaW.jpg edit: and the GM is still broke. :(
  - ugh 15y ago
    You guys are funny! ;-) Pretty strange that Apple does something like this, they never did any kind of verification in the past. I installed DP1 or DP2 on an empty disk using the DMG inside the app bundle and if I remember correctly (I might well not) there was no verification. Maybe it only kicks in when you install from the recovery partition? But why? I completely forgot to check whether the GM install app still includes the installer DMG and I apparently can’t check anymore since that app was apparently deleted after I installed the update. That didn’t happen before. Since I’m nervous without that DMG I’m going to download Lion from the App Store again (that works but it takes time). Edit: I just checked, the recovery partition is only 650MB. You are re-downloading the whole or large parts of the installer (3.75GB in size) when installing from the recovery partition. Apple checks whether you can re-download Lion. (The same happens when you re-download Lion from the App Store.) I guess if you really want you can call this “activation” but I don’t really know how Apple should do it differently. Your Mac sends a request to a Server somewhere in order to download the installer. I’m fairly certain that without any activation it would be very simple to fake such a request and just download the installer at will. It would be no different from Apple putting Lion on a public server somewhere, for everyone to download. The only way to prevent this is – as far as I know – to do some kind of verification. What they could maybe do is to already put parts of the installer on the recovery partition, that way whatever is downloaded from Apple’s servers wouldn’t work without a recovery partition (which you can only get if you at one point had the Lion installer app). I’m, however, not sure that’s worth the trouble. When you install from the installer app (I don’t know whether a clean install is possible if you do that, probably not) and when you install using the DMG inside the installer app bundle (it’s still there in the Lion GM) your installation is not verified. That makes sense, I guess.
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