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San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Support Women Builders

33 points by RuffleGordon 5y ago

meristohm 5y ago
Good luck to The Garden! I’m curious what creations will take root there.
ublaze 5y ago
What are some well known companies that came from founders living in hacker houses?
- maneesh 5y ago
  Pied Piper
- cbm-vic-20 5y ago
  l0pht Heavy Industries / @stake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L0pht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L0pht
Animats 5y ago
Nice. SF also has Double Union, an all-female hacker space. Although it's late in the cycle to be starting a hacker house.
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- FlagBrigade 5y ago
  I would say so. Post went from front page down to last position. https://news.ycombinator.com/news?p=17 https://news.ycombinator.com/news?p=17 More abuse of the flagging system
  - deleted 5y ago
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vmception 5y ago
Are non-inclusive safe spaces legal? It seems that in residences that it would be sanctionable to deny housing based on assigned sex or gender identity, and in education it would be sanctionable to have admissions based on that as well. I was curious about this with Hackbright too, but I wasn't interested in this cause enough to see what legal counsel thought of it (it was the closest coding academy to me at one point). The California regulator ended up slapping them with other violations, and the sanctions seem fairly toothless. I don't really think the various Civil Rights Acts support the bay area's rebranding of separate but equal.
- dlgeek 5y ago
  I think the residence non-discrimination requirements don't apply if it's a shared space, only if it's a multi-family dwelling over a certain number of units.
  - vmception 5y ago
    Ah possibly, thats how employment works too, some anti-discrimination statutes coming into play after a certain number of employees.
- MyHypatia 5y ago
  Yes, non-inclusive spaces are legal. There are still golf clubs in the US that don't allow women. Just last week the top golf club in the US voted to allow women for the first time in its 108 year history. If these male-only spaces are legal I don't see how these female-only spaces would be illegal. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/31372032/top-ranked-pine-valley-golf-course-allow-women-members%3fplatform=amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/31...
  - vmception 5y ago
    Just because something hasn't been challenged doesn't mean it is legal and the ongoing existence of a counterpoint is not a strong argument regarding legal review. And the more obvious difference to me is that your example is not providing housing and is not providing education. There are really two questions here, the first being is it legal, and the second being is this what we want whether it is currently legal or currently illegal? If the answer to the second question is "yes" then carry on. To me it currently seems incompatible, and I am still trying to understand what the current consensus is. I don't have strong opinions on it, or much of anything, which is why I gravitate towards the legal field because - like lawyers - I can compartmentalize anything. So I am aiming to also understand the consensus on what people desire and if "safe spaces" are the most productive approach to getting there.
AnonC 5y ago
Post about this by the co-founder and the discussion around it about six days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27032094 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27032094
shephardjhon 5y ago
I am no legal expert so I won't comment on that aspect but I cant say I am surprized by the kneejerk MRA-type reaction here. Here is the actual issue, current "mixed" hacker houses don't attract women so this is a thing to address that weather its harassment or just general discomfort of living with unrelated people of the opposite gender. Another problem is the population of SF skews high percentage of men. If the men here can leave their tribalism for one second, it would possibly be a good thing for the people complaining or vaugely making dog whistles about this too. Personally the heavy male-to-female ratio is kind of a reason I would rather not live/work in SF as a single guy(this is me appealing to the most selfish instinct of the commenters here). Also if I do get married and have a daughter, I want her to have the same job options and location options as me, same with my sisters and cousins and female friends and I hope some of you can put aside your own fragile ego to think of those women. I am also willing to bet no women would be in the comments here because they have learned to know how toxic this comment section will be.
- suifbwish 5y ago
  I think too often we make the mistake of thinking people have “fragile egos” when in reality they just don’t give a dump about what the other side wants or thinks.

33 points by RuffleGordon 5y ago

meristohm 5y ago

Good luck to The Garden! I’m curious what creations will take root there.

ublaze 5y ago

What are some well known companies that came from founders living in hacker houses?

maneesh 5y ago
Pied Piper
cbm-vic-20 5y ago
l0pht Heavy Industries / @stake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L0pht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L0pht

Animats 5y ago

Nice. SF also has Double Union, an all-female hacker space. Although it's late in the cycle to be starting a hacker house.

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FlagBrigade 5y ago
I would say so. Post went from front page down to last position. https://news.ycombinator.com/news?p=17 https://news.ycombinator.com/news?p=17 More abuse of the flagging system
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]

vmception 5y ago

Are non-inclusive safe spaces legal? It seems that in residences that it would be sanctionable to deny housing based on assigned sex or gender identity, and in education it would be sanctionable to have admissions based on that as well. I was curious about this with Hackbright too, but I wasn't interested in this cause enough to see what legal counsel thought of it (it was the closest coding academy to me at one point). The California regulator ended up slapping them with other violations, and the sanctions seem fairly toothless. I don't really think the various Civil Rights Acts support the bay area's rebranding of separate but equal.

dlgeek 5y ago
I think the residence non-discrimination requirements don't apply if it's a shared space, only if it's a multi-family dwelling over a certain number of units.
- vmception 5y ago
  Ah possibly, thats how employment works too, some anti-discrimination statutes coming into play after a certain number of employees.
MyHypatia 5y ago
Yes, non-inclusive spaces are legal. There are still golf clubs in the US that don't allow women. Just last week the top golf club in the US voted to allow women for the first time in its 108 year history. If these male-only spaces are legal I don't see how these female-only spaces would be illegal. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/31372032/top-ranked-pine-valley-golf-course-allow-women-members%3fplatform=amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/31...
- vmception 5y ago
  Just because something hasn't been challenged doesn't mean it is legal and the ongoing existence of a counterpoint is not a strong argument regarding legal review. And the more obvious difference to me is that your example is not providing housing and is not providing education. There are really two questions here, the first being is it legal, and the second being is this what we want whether it is currently legal or currently illegal? If the answer to the second question is "yes" then carry on. To me it currently seems incompatible, and I am still trying to understand what the current consensus is. I don't have strong opinions on it, or much of anything, which is why I gravitate towards the legal field because - like lawyers - I can compartmentalize anything. So I am aiming to also understand the consensus on what people desire and if "safe spaces" are the most productive approach to getting there.

AnonC 5y ago

Post about this by the co-founder and the discussion around it about six days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27032094 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27032094

shephardjhon 5y ago

I am no legal expert so I won't comment on that aspect but I cant say I am surprized by the kneejerk MRA-type reaction here. Here is the actual issue, current "mixed" hacker houses don't attract women so this is a thing to address that weather its harassment or just general discomfort of living with unrelated people of the opposite gender. Another problem is the population of SF skews high percentage of men. If the men here can leave their tribalism for one second, it would possibly be a good thing for the people complaining or vaugely making dog whistles about this too. Personally the heavy male-to-female ratio is kind of a reason I would rather not live/work in SF as a single guy(this is me appealing to the most selfish instinct of the commenters here). Also if I do get married and have a daughter, I want her to have the same job options and location options as me, same with my sisters and cousins and female friends and I hope some of you can put aside your own fragile ego to think of those women. I am also willing to bet no women would be in the comments here because they have learned to know how toxic this comment section will be.

suifbwish 5y ago
I think too often we make the mistake of thinking people have “fragile egos” when in reality they just don’t give a dump about what the other side wants or thinks.