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I made that move earlier this year. TBH, it's not like I trust Apple more than Google or Facebook... but at least for now my interests align better with their b

by bozzcl 5y ago

I made that move earlier this year. TBH, it's not like I trust Apple more than Google or Facebook... but at least for now my interests align better with their business model. That being said, I've been tempted to get a Motorola Razr flip phone just for the sake of nostalgia, though I would have to root it and remove everything related to Google to feel comfortable with it.

wyre 5y ago
What don’t you trust about Apple that equates them to Google or Facebook? I trust them more than Google and FB, but that is certainly a very low bar. I trust that Apple isn’t profiting off my data. It isn’t even close to their business model so it allows them to give their users privacy G and F can’t.
- bozzcl 5y ago
  I have a general distrust of device manufacturers nowadays. Seeing how far some other devices go (phones and smart TVs especially), I think it's a healthy attitude to have. To give you an example, I recently implemented an allowlist on my firewall so only approved devices can access my WAN. I immediately started seeing frequent dropped packets from my wireless access point (Netgear Nighthawk AX200) and switch (Ubiquiti UniFi 8-port PoE) to Netgear and AWS IPs respectively. While some of that is probably them checking for updates, the volume didn't really seem warranted. Going back to Apple though... sure, that's the exact reason why I switched. They already charge a premium, so they have less of an incentive to pad their quarterly earnings selling data. But they're still a company, still responding to shareholders, and they already collect certain amount of analytics. There's not that much of a jump from there to selling it, so being careful and mistrusting is probably a good thing IMO.
- Applejinx 5y ago
  Because it's such a low bar, it's not at all hard to believe. They really don't have to try hard to be better than that, and their self-interest is real obvious.

by bozzcl 5y ago

wyre 5y ago

What don’t you trust about Apple that equates them to Google or Facebook? I trust them more than Google and FB, but that is certainly a very low bar. I trust that Apple isn’t profiting off my data. It isn’t even close to their business model so it allows them to give their users privacy G and F can’t.

bozzcl 5y ago
I have a general distrust of device manufacturers nowadays. Seeing how far some other devices go (phones and smart TVs especially), I think it's a healthy attitude to have. To give you an example, I recently implemented an allowlist on my firewall so only approved devices can access my WAN. I immediately started seeing frequent dropped packets from my wireless access point (Netgear Nighthawk AX200) and switch (Ubiquiti UniFi 8-port PoE) to Netgear and AWS IPs respectively. While some of that is probably them checking for updates, the volume didn't really seem warranted. Going back to Apple though... sure, that's the exact reason why I switched. They already charge a premium, so they have less of an incentive to pad their quarterly earnings selling data. But they're still a company, still responding to shareholders, and they already collect certain amount of analytics. There's not that much of a jump from there to selling it, so being careful and mistrusting is probably a good thing IMO.
Applejinx 5y ago
Because it's such a low bar, it's not at all hard to believe. They really don't have to try hard to be better than that, and their self-interest is real obvious.