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Here's one: because you love cheese but you also love animals and so don't want to contribute to their suffering. In my experience people tend to become vegan:

Here's one: because you love cheese but you also love animals and so don't want to contribute to their suffering. In my experience people tend to become vegan: 1. for the animals; and/or 2. for the planet; and/or 3. for health. I have never heard another vegan say they became vegan because they didn't like the taste of cheese.

balls187 5y ago
Here is another: you love cheese and are allergic to casein. Not me, but the gal I am dating is allergic to dairy, and so we had some fun finding vegan cheeses that did not have casein. It was nice to make a dish that typically has cheese, that we both could enjoy.
- bromley 5y ago
  Good point! Vegan cheeses are so much better now than they used to be, there's never been a better time to have a casein allergy :D Honestly if it weren't for all the amazing fake meats, milks, and cheeses, I would find it a lot harder to be a vegan. As it is though, it's a piece of (vegan) cake :)
- cheese_goddess 5y ago
  Allergic to casein and any animal matter besides? Your friend can't eat meat?
  - balls187 5y ago
    She enjoys meat just fine. It's just milk proteins she is allergic too, and it's not an intolerance.
    - cheese_goddess 5y ago
      So she's not vegan then? I thought you meant that your friend is vegan because of her allergies and that you said that to give me an example of another reason to be vegan?
      - balls187 5y ago
        No, she isn't. And my interpretation of the original question wasn't why someone wants to be vegan, it was why someone would want to eat vegan imitations of non-vegan food.
- africanboy 5y ago
  ricotta contains no caseine and it's real cheese caseine and lactose intolerance are very common conditions, they have always been for humans throughout history people developed techniques to make cheese that contains no or little of both Swiss cheese, Blu cheese, Gouda, Provolone, brie, Cheddar, Camembert, Münster, Parmigiano and many others contains only 2% of lactose
himinlomax 5y ago
Animals suffer from predators, parasites, hunger and thirst in the wild. The only way to end all this suffering is a good nuclear armageddon.
- bromley 5y ago
  Humans suffer from similar things. But I don't think that's a reasonable excuse for us to kill each other.
cheese_goddess 5y ago
I have. Rather, the vegan I know didn't like the taste of meat. But of course what I said had nothing to do with being vegan because you don't like the taste of cheese. What I said was, if you like the taste of meat and cheese so much so that you can't do without a substitute of it, then why are you vegan? If you are vegan, for good ethical or environmental reasons, then why do you need to eat pretend-meat and pretend-dairy? Either you are vegan and you don't want to eat meat or dairy, or you want to eat meat or dairy and you're not vegan. "I eat it because I like the taste of it" is exactly the moralising accusation levelled at non-vegans. If I have to go without meat and dairy to satisfy your morals then you have to go without pretend-meat and dairy to satisfy mine. You can't have it both ways. You can't preach to me that eating meat is murder and then turn your back and scoff down a pretend-sausage because you like meat. That's hypocritical. And it only encourages people to eat more meat anyway.
- bromley 5y ago
  Well I must say that sounds like some peculiar logic to me! But hey, I spent years performing mental gymnastics to justify the suffering I contributed to by eating meat and dairy, so I can see where you are coming from ;) I used to love steak, and fish, and various other non-vegan things. But I became increasingly uncomfortable with the thought of where those things came from, and eventually I had to give them up. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't. Having vegan substitutes just made it easier. I don't see the harm in that, neither do I see the hypocracy. I want the taste, but I don't want the suffering.
  - cheese_goddess 5y ago
    > But hey, I spent years performing mental gymnastics to justify the suffering I contributed to by eating meat and dairy, so I can see where you are coming from ;) You can't. You have no idea where I come from. I never had to perform any mental gymnastics because I don't believe I contribute to any suffering by eating meat. For example, maybe you "come from" (to be literal) such a place as North America, Argentina, or Western Europe, where people eat way too much meat and have no idea how to eat without meat? If so, then I grew up eating half or less the amount of meat you eat, and still do as an adult, I don't eat beef, most of the dairy I eat is not from cows bred in industrial farms, like yours, and I do not have to worry that I'm eating too much meat, or contributing to the destruction of the environment, as you would. The bottom line is that you have some moral ideology that is yours and matches your life experience, but it doesn't match mine and I don't need to share it. And I don't need to make mental gymnastics to avoid sharing it, I just have no raeson to share it in the first place. But I do have rasons to wonder why vegans, who don't eat meat and cheese, eat meat and cheese. Unless what they eat is not meat and cheese, in which case why call it meat and cheese?
MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
But the spirit of what your doing is flawed. Your essentially saying that the thing was so good you'd like to have it again therefore reminding people that an exploration of animals is good in the sense for human consumption. Regardless if whether or not it comes from animals.
- bromley 5y ago
  You seem to be suggesting that cheese is inexorably linked to animals. In my mind it's just a tasty substance that goes well in a sandwich. Nowadays it can very well be made without causing animal suffering. Piano keys were traditionally made of ivory, now, fortunately, they are made of plastic. Does the elephant butchery of the past mean I should not play the piano today? I don't think so. Times change. When kinder and more sustainable alternatives exist, it makes sense for us to favour them.

balls187 5y ago

Here is another: you love cheese and are allergic to casein. Not me, but the gal I am dating is allergic to dairy, and so we had some fun finding vegan cheeses that did not have casein. It was nice to make a dish that typically has cheese, that we both could enjoy.

bromley 5y ago
Good point! Vegan cheeses are so much better now than they used to be, there's never been a better time to have a casein allergy :D Honestly if it weren't for all the amazing fake meats, milks, and cheeses, I would find it a lot harder to be a vegan. As it is though, it's a piece of (vegan) cake :)
cheese_goddess 5y ago
Allergic to casein and any animal matter besides? Your friend can't eat meat?
- balls187 5y ago
  She enjoys meat just fine. It's just milk proteins she is allergic too, and it's not an intolerance.
  - cheese_goddess 5y ago
    So she's not vegan then? I thought you meant that your friend is vegan because of her allergies and that you said that to give me an example of another reason to be vegan?
    - balls187 5y ago
      No, she isn't. And my interpretation of the original question wasn't why someone wants to be vegan, it was why someone would want to eat vegan imitations of non-vegan food.
africanboy 5y ago
ricotta contains no caseine and it's real cheese caseine and lactose intolerance are very common conditions, they have always been for humans throughout history people developed techniques to make cheese that contains no or little of both Swiss cheese, Blu cheese, Gouda, Provolone, brie, Cheddar, Camembert, Münster, Parmigiano and many others contains only 2% of lactose

himinlomax 5y ago

Animals suffer from predators, parasites, hunger and thirst in the wild. The only way to end all this suffering is a good nuclear armageddon.

bromley 5y ago
Humans suffer from similar things. But I don't think that's a reasonable excuse for us to kill each other.

cheese_goddess 5y ago

I have. Rather, the vegan I know didn't like the taste of meat. But of course what I said had nothing to do with being vegan because you don't like the taste of cheese. What I said was, if you like the taste of meat and cheese so much so that you can't do without a substitute of it, then why are you vegan? If you are vegan, for good ethical or environmental reasons, then why do you need to eat pretend-meat and pretend-dairy? Either you are vegan and you don't want to eat meat or dairy, or you want to eat meat or dairy and you're not vegan. "I eat it because I like the taste of it" is exactly the moralising accusation levelled at non-vegans. If I have to go without meat and dairy to satisfy your morals then you have to go without pretend-meat and dairy to satisfy mine. You can't have it both ways. You can't preach to me that eating meat is murder and then turn your back and scoff down a pretend-sausage because you like meat. That's hypocritical. And it only encourages people to eat more meat anyway.

bromley 5y ago
Well I must say that sounds like some peculiar logic to me! But hey, I spent years performing mental gymnastics to justify the suffering I contributed to by eating meat and dairy, so I can see where you are coming from ;) I used to love steak, and fish, and various other non-vegan things. But I became increasingly uncomfortable with the thought of where those things came from, and eventually I had to give them up. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't. Having vegan substitutes just made it easier. I don't see the harm in that, neither do I see the hypocracy. I want the taste, but I don't want the suffering.
- cheese_goddess 5y ago
  > But hey, I spent years performing mental gymnastics to justify the suffering I contributed to by eating meat and dairy, so I can see where you are coming from ;) You can't. You have no idea where I come from. I never had to perform any mental gymnastics because I don't believe I contribute to any suffering by eating meat. For example, maybe you "come from" (to be literal) such a place as North America, Argentina, or Western Europe, where people eat way too much meat and have no idea how to eat without meat? If so, then I grew up eating half or less the amount of meat you eat, and still do as an adult, I don't eat beef, most of the dairy I eat is not from cows bred in industrial farms, like yours, and I do not have to worry that I'm eating too much meat, or contributing to the destruction of the environment, as you would. The bottom line is that you have some moral ideology that is yours and matches your life experience, but it doesn't match mine and I don't need to share it. And I don't need to make mental gymnastics to avoid sharing it, I just have no raeson to share it in the first place. But I do have rasons to wonder why vegans, who don't eat meat and cheese, eat meat and cheese. Unless what they eat is not meat and cheese, in which case why call it meat and cheese?

MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago

But the spirit of what your doing is flawed. Your essentially saying that the thing was so good you'd like to have it again therefore reminding people that an exploration of animals is good in the sense for human consumption. Regardless if whether or not it comes from animals.

bromley 5y ago
You seem to be suggesting that cheese is inexorably linked to animals. In my mind it's just a tasty substance that goes well in a sandwich. Nowadays it can very well be made without causing animal suffering. Piano keys were traditionally made of ivory, now, fortunately, they are made of plastic. Does the elephant butchery of the past mean I should not play the piano today? I don't think so. Times change. When kinder and more sustainable alternatives exist, it makes sense for us to favour them.