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> If there's a good alternative never use Google anything. Brave instead of Chrome. Duck Duck Go instead of Google. Proton Mail instead of Gmail. The only thi

> If there's a good alternative never use Google anything. Brave instead of Chrome. Duck Duck Go instead of Google. Proton Mail instead of Gmail. The only thing I haven't been able to replace is YouTube. That's a tricky one because it's the content creators that keep me locked into it.

Larrikin 5y ago
Why a chromium browser instead of Firefox?
- 5560675260 5y ago
  Mozilla is funded by Google - it's a questionable alternative at best.
colanderman 5y ago
Many content creators are starting to move to a Patreon+Twitch model, in addition to YouTube.
- nextlevelwizard 5y ago
  Works if you are only delivering live videos. I've never been able to get into Twitch because there is so much dead time without anything interesting happening. Patreon only works if you already have established fan base that is willing to pay for your content. It does not help with discoverability at all. Youtube is still the king of video no matter how you slice it.
  - skinkestek 5y ago
    > Youtube is still the king of video no matter how you slice it. For now. Rumble might or might not break through to mainstream. Same with those fediverse solutions for different reasons. Vimeo already works beautifully and is clean in every way AFAIK.
    - lanterk 5y ago
      Except Vimeo is not really competing with YouTube, and has a strict restrictions on the type of videos it accepts.
      - skinkestek 5y ago
        Vimeo competes in one segment. Rumble in another. Peertube etc in a third. Self-hosting by media companies in a fourth. Etc.
    - nextlevelwizard 5y ago
      >Rumble I've never heard about it before now >fediverse solutions The what? >Vimeo already works beautifully Except you can't monetize your content and in fact you have to pay to post in the first place plus you can't post (at least) gaming related content.
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      - skinkestek 5y ago
        >>Rumble > I've never heard about it before now Congratulations! You are one of todays 10000 lucky :-) >>fediverse solutions > The what? Peertube for example. >>Vimeo already works beautifully > Except you can't monetize your content and in fact you have to pay to post in the first place plus you can't post (at least) gaming related content. Proof that you can: https://vimeo.com/ondemand/effectivejavaee https://vimeo.com/ondemand/effectivejavaee
  - colanderman 5y ago
    Ah you know I am thinking of Vimeo I think. (The producers I follow upload only prerecorded material.) I guess that demonstrates how little brand recognition the YouTube competitors have :)
- theshrike79 5y ago
  Twitch isn't much better than YouTube when it comes to arbitrary bans. Their top streamers can literally spread their asshole on camera and get a 3 day ban. All this while normal streamers can get permanently banned for any small offence. Vimeo or Floatplane seems to be the way to go, depending whether you want to be subscriber-only or have free viewers too.
- lanterk 5y ago
  5witch and YouTube are very different functionality, you really don't want Twitch to be the main for source.
jraph 5y ago
> The only thing I haven't been able to replace is YouTube. That's a tricky one because it's the content creators that keep me locked into it. Yes, this is a pain. At least YouTube does not require an account and you can use it through Invidious (or NewPipe on Android, or mpv/youtube-dl on Linux if you already have the YouTube link). > Brave instead of Chrome. Brave is Chrome repackaged. This a bit feels like "I avoid [brand] but I'll take this white-label product (produced by [brand]") Avoid anything Chromium.
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- Strom 5y ago
  > Brave is Chrome repackaged. This a bit feels like "I avoid [brand] but I'll take this white-label product (produced by [brand]") > Avoid anything Chromium. Yes but this whole discussion is taking place because of the policies Google has for running things, not for building things. It's the operations that suck, not the underlying product.
  - jraph 5y ago
    Chrome and its derivatives gives Google power to run things their own way... by providing the runtime.
ximeng 5y ago
Ziglang creator moved from YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/c/AndrewKelley/featured https://m.youtube.com/c/AndrewKelley/featured) to Vimeo (https://vimeo.com/showcase/7818787 https://vimeo.com/showcase/7818787) to have more control. Encouraging creators you like to migrate could help decrease dependency on YouTube.
- Tom4hawk 5y ago
  I think there are two types of content. - content that you seek - content that seeks you If I want to watch someone knowledgeable working on my favorite language I will look for this content (or I will find that they are doing this via some other means - like Twitter, irc, Mastodon etc.) and unless experience is not horrible for some reason I don't care if it's Youtube, PeerTube, RSS feed with links to the video on ftp server. If you delivery something unique enough (in this case I assume that there are not that many people providing such content on similar level) for specific group of people you can probably leave YouTube and be fine. But if I'm interested in something less specialized like for example tech news and I'm not attached to specific creator I might not even notice that someone left the platform. If I don't see "Linus tech tips" in my video feed I'll watch "Gamer Nexus" or "Hardware Unboxed" or something else. Sad truth is that when I want to see video about something general I look for it on YouTube and don't even bother searching for other source. I think that YouTube "monopoly" is not on hosting video content but on discoverability of it. And I say this as someone who tries to avoid Google products as much as possible.
malka 5y ago
RSS feeds + youtube-dl works like a charm.
fsflover 5y ago
> The only thing I haven't been able to replace is YouTube. https://joinpeertube.org/ https://joinpeertube.org/

Larrikin 5y ago

Why a chromium browser instead of Firefox?

5560675260 5y ago
Mozilla is funded by Google - it's a questionable alternative at best.

colanderman 5y ago

Many content creators are starting to move to a Patreon+Twitch model, in addition to YouTube.

nextlevelwizard 5y ago
Works if you are only delivering live videos. I've never been able to get into Twitch because there is so much dead time without anything interesting happening. Patreon only works if you already have established fan base that is willing to pay for your content. It does not help with discoverability at all. Youtube is still the king of video no matter how you slice it.
- skinkestek 5y ago
  > Youtube is still the king of video no matter how you slice it. For now. Rumble might or might not break through to mainstream. Same with those fediverse solutions for different reasons. Vimeo already works beautifully and is clean in every way AFAIK.
  - lanterk 5y ago
    Except Vimeo is not really competing with YouTube, and has a strict restrictions on the type of videos it accepts.
    - skinkestek 5y ago
      Vimeo competes in one segment. Rumble in another. Peertube etc in a third. Self-hosting by media companies in a fourth. Etc.
  - nextlevelwizard 5y ago
    >Rumble I've never heard about it before now >fediverse solutions The what? >Vimeo already works beautifully Except you can't monetize your content and in fact you have to pay to post in the first place plus you can't post (at least) gaming related content.
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    - skinkestek 5y ago
      >>Rumble > I've never heard about it before now Congratulations! You are one of todays 10000 lucky :-) >>fediverse solutions > The what? Peertube for example. >>Vimeo already works beautifully > Except you can't monetize your content and in fact you have to pay to post in the first place plus you can't post (at least) gaming related content. Proof that you can: https://vimeo.com/ondemand/effectivejavaee https://vimeo.com/ondemand/effectivejavaee
- colanderman 5y ago
  Ah you know I am thinking of Vimeo I think. (The producers I follow upload only prerecorded material.) I guess that demonstrates how little brand recognition the YouTube competitors have :)
theshrike79 5y ago
Twitch isn't much better than YouTube when it comes to arbitrary bans. Their top streamers can literally spread their asshole on camera and get a 3 day ban. All this while normal streamers can get permanently banned for any small offence. Vimeo or Floatplane seems to be the way to go, depending whether you want to be subscriber-only or have free viewers too.
lanterk 5y ago
5witch and YouTube are very different functionality, you really don't want Twitch to be the main for source.

jraph 5y ago

> The only thing I haven't been able to replace is YouTube. That's a tricky one because it's the content creators that keep me locked into it. Yes, this is a pain. At least YouTube does not require an account and you can use it through Invidious (or NewPipe on Android, or mpv/youtube-dl on Linux if you already have the YouTube link). > Brave instead of Chrome. Brave is Chrome repackaged. This a bit feels like "I avoid [brand] but I'll take this white-label product (produced by [brand]") Avoid anything Chromium.

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Strom 5y ago
> Brave is Chrome repackaged. This a bit feels like "I avoid [brand] but I'll take this white-label product (produced by [brand]") > Avoid anything Chromium. Yes but this whole discussion is taking place because of the policies Google has for running things, not for building things. It's the operations that suck, not the underlying product.
- jraph 5y ago
  Chrome and its derivatives gives Google power to run things their own way... by providing the runtime.

ximeng 5y ago

Ziglang creator moved from YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/c/AndrewKelley/featured https://m.youtube.com/c/AndrewKelley/featured) to Vimeo (https://vimeo.com/showcase/7818787 https://vimeo.com/showcase/7818787) to have more control. Encouraging creators you like to migrate could help decrease dependency on YouTube.

Tom4hawk 5y ago
I think there are two types of content. - content that you seek - content that seeks you If I want to watch someone knowledgeable working on my favorite language I will look for this content (or I will find that they are doing this via some other means - like Twitter, irc, Mastodon etc.) and unless experience is not horrible for some reason I don't care if it's Youtube, PeerTube, RSS feed with links to the video on ftp server. If you delivery something unique enough (in this case I assume that there are not that many people providing such content on similar level) for specific group of people you can probably leave YouTube and be fine. But if I'm interested in something less specialized like for example tech news and I'm not attached to specific creator I might not even notice that someone left the platform. If I don't see "Linus tech tips" in my video feed I'll watch "Gamer Nexus" or "Hardware Unboxed" or something else. Sad truth is that when I want to see video about something general I look for it on YouTube and don't even bother searching for other source. I think that YouTube "monopoly" is not on hosting video content but on discoverability of it. And I say this as someone who tries to avoid Google products as much as possible.

malka 5y ago

RSS feeds + youtube-dl works like a charm.

fsflover 5y ago

> The only thing I haven't been able to replace is YouTube. https://joinpeertube.org/ https://joinpeertube.org/