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"Probably because one of those two is a religious statement, while another one is a political statement." Why would biological facts be considered "political s

"Probably because one of those two is a religious statement, while another one is a political statement." Why would biological facts be considered "political statements"? (assuming gender = biological sex, which is the usual usage from regular talk to identity papers throughout the world).

shoemakersteve 5y ago
Judging from the last sentence, it seems like you're aware that the word "gender" as it's used nowadays often doesn't refer to biological sex, especially in the context of gender identity/expression. Setting aside the semantic argument, is there even anyone out there saying "there are more than two genders", and actually mean biological sex? What would they even mean by that? From what I can tell, anyone saying "there are only two genders, it's a biological fact" seems to be deliberately shifting the goalposts for the sole purpose of being inflammatory. Otherwise I'm not really sure I understand. I've never heard of anyone saying they were genderfluid as a result of their chromosomes.
- cbnotfromthere 5y ago
  Well, I am certainly aware of such usage (gender != sex), however I find it highly tricky because the interchangeable use of the words gender and sex is an established situation for the last 100-200 years (simple example: identity cards / passports / corresponding forms). The whole point of any expression is that (by definition) is subject to the decision (one may say the whims) of the person doing that expressing. On the other hand, sex is set in stone, no psychological change and no surgery can change it. While you may not have heard anyone saying they are gender fluid as a result of their chromosomes, I counter with the fact that one of the most common claim of the genderfluid people and their advocates is that "sex is a spectrum", which has basically the same meaning. Moreover, there are educated university professors which publicly claim Homo sapiens have more than just 2 genders https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij80qmJPhOc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij80qmJPhOc For the record, I couldn't care less who people have sex with and what sex they believe they belong to

shoemakersteve 5y ago

Judging from the last sentence, it seems like you're aware that the word "gender" as it's used nowadays often doesn't refer to biological sex, especially in the context of gender identity/expression. Setting aside the semantic argument, is there even anyone out there saying "there are more than two genders", and actually mean biological sex? What would they even mean by that? From what I can tell, anyone saying "there are only two genders, it's a biological fact" seems to be deliberately shifting the goalposts for the sole purpose of being inflammatory. Otherwise I'm not really sure I understand. I've never heard of anyone saying they were genderfluid as a result of their chromosomes.

cbnotfromthere 5y ago
Well, I am certainly aware of such usage (gender != sex), however I find it highly tricky because the interchangeable use of the words gender and sex is an established situation for the last 100-200 years (simple example: identity cards / passports / corresponding forms). The whole point of any expression is that (by definition) is subject to the decision (one may say the whims) of the person doing that expressing. On the other hand, sex is set in stone, no psychological change and no surgery can change it. While you may not have heard anyone saying they are gender fluid as a result of their chromosomes, I counter with the fact that one of the most common claim of the genderfluid people and their advocates is that "sex is a spectrum", which has basically the same meaning. Moreover, there are educated university professors which publicly claim Homo sapiens have more than just 2 genders https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij80qmJPhOc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij80qmJPhOc For the record, I couldn't care less who people have sex with and what sex they believe they belong to