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For those who reads Russian this is the best her verse as rated at [1]. Утреннее солнце восходит утром – Столько соблазнительных вероятий! Что же ты, дев
by versale 5y ago
For those who reads Russian this is the best her verse as rated at [1].
Утреннее солнце восходит утром –
Столько соблазнительных вероятий!
Что же ты, девка, ходишь по квартире,
Тапками стуча, пятки печатая?
Что тебе, голубка моя лебёдка?
Поворотись-ка, сними последнее,
В золотое зеркало полюбуйся,
Это и то вперёд выдвигая.
И чу! Я слышу глухое биенье.
Тепло бокам и шея удлинилась.
Ноги не радуют, но белым перьям
Многие подруги позавидуют.
Достаточно сделать движенье крылом –
В животе ухает; паркет остался
Далеко внизу; родные, простите,
Пишите мне до востребования.
– Бессмертная, навеки бессмертна я,
Стиксу не быть для меня преградою!
[1] https://readrate.com/rus/news/luchshie-sovremennye-russkie-stikhi https://readrate.com/rus/news/luchshie-sovremennye-russkie-s...
- tclover 5y agohm... So according to who she is "one of greatest"? My second question is how is this hacker news relevant?
- Ralfp 5y agoHacker News Guidelines What to Submit On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- 1cvmask 5y agoAs relevant as Eddie Murphy Coming to America perhaps.
- azangru 5y ago> My second question is how is this hacker news relevant? And the third question is, how is she on the front page? Are there that many readers of Hacker News who are interested in contemporary Russian poetry?
- cookieswumchorr 5y agowhen I went to school in Russia the great writers were those whos portraits we had on the wall in literature class. I'm sure she was not among them ))) I've tried reading her book "in memory of memories" got stuck, but not in an unpleasant way, maybe will give it a try later;
- wolverine876 5y ago> the great writers were those whos portraits we had on the wall in literature class It's completely up to the authorities to define great writers?
- cookieswumchorr 5y agothis was meant ironically of course. What I wanted to say is: all those stars and badges are bullshit, just read what you like. I've hated books that were on various "best of all time" lists, and enjoyed unknown stuff from the internet with typos and broken grammar. And vice versa.
- wolverine876 5y agoSorry, I didn't know you were being ironic. I'll add to your point that 'stars and badges' (from a source I trust) on something I don't like can be a signal that there is something more there, outside my understanding, and that's often the most fruitful thing to read.
- mellosouls 5y agoApart from the guidelines wrt "intellectual curiosity" pointed to you elsewhere, perhaps you can grant her admission for discussion as: She is the founder of Colta, the only independent crowd-funded source of information in Russia. The high-traffic online publication has been called a Russian Huffington Post in format and style, and has also been compared to The New York Review of Books for the scope and depth of its long essays. https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/mad-russia-hurt-me-into-poetry-an-interview-with-maria-stepanova/ https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/mad-russia-hurt-me-into-... The website is also mentioned in the OP article.
- lostmsu 5y ago> the only independent crowd-funded source of information in Russia How about Russian branch of Wikipedia?
- mellosouls 5y agoI agree, it seems unlikely to be the only independent source. But the point is that on narrow technical/business criteria, she qualifies for HN, in addition to the guidelines supporting those of us with wider interests.
- lovelyviking 5y agoIf she is the best living Russian poet and this is the best her verse, then the whole Russian poetry is in very poor quality. I find nothing fascinating here at all. Even rythm is broken but not in a good way. Just broken.
- versale 5y agoI've never heard of Maria (though can't say I'm an expert in poetry). That's why I decided to do some research and found this. Hm, I had to read the lines three times, slowly, to reconstruct the image the author tried to convey. And this was the first layer. Apparently there is another one inside, but I presume this second layer resembles a Rorschach test: everybody is welcome to see what ever she/he wants to see. That's quite an achievement for those who care about pumping up readers' self-esteem. Especially if the readers see poetry as gymnastics for brain.
- dmitriid 5y ago> And this was the first layer. Apparently there is another one inside This is ascribing meaning to something that most likely doesn't have the ascribed meaning.
- nzmsv 5y agoThat's the whole point though: it's a puzzle for the brain. If it were explicitly spelled out the fun would be lost. Personally I think of art as programming using symbols that have been previously uploaded into the audience. Incidentally, this is why sometimes it is easy for art to cross language and culture boundaries, and sometimes very hard: it just depends on whether the symbols are something universal for all humanity or specific to a particular culture. In Russia in particular there is a common view that poetry should: - rhyme - have a flowing rhythm - be very literal/descriptive and there is certainly a lot of good poetry like that. But sometimes artists break rules for fun. Stepanova to Pushkin is what Aphex Twin is to Mozart. Just have some fun with it and don't worry if it fits into preconceived notions of what is good poetry. In the spirit of fun: have you noticed that there are two sets of sentence breaks in the poem, one on the line breaks and one at the punctuation? This actually changes word association and the imagery. Think this was an accident?
- dmitriid 5y agoIn my late teens I had tons of poetry of similar quality [1] Why am I not the greatest living Russian poet? :) [1] https://old.dmitriid.com/projects/literary.html https://old.dmitriid.com/projects/literary.html See "Абстрактизация", or even "В огОроде" (or anything else :)) )
- voqv 5y agoI haven't read much modern Russian poetry, but this really isn't that good. There are way better contemporary examples.
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- selivanovp 5y agoI have no clue who said that Stepanova is a greatest poet, especially since the quoted poetry is complete garbage.