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As a co-op student for IBM in the late 90's I had to sign something similar... Anything I worked on outside of work... And for x years after leaving the company

by dayre 5y ago

As a co-op student for IBM in the late 90's I had to sign something similar... Anything I worked on outside of work... And for x years after leaving the company belonged to them. Was an eye opener for sure.

MattGaiser 5y ago
> And for x years after leaving the company belonged to them This is the even more crazy part. They continue to own you after no longer paying you.
- supportlocal4h 5y ago
  It's the same thing, really. They pay you for eight hours but continue to own you for the next 16 hours. They pay you for two years but continue to own you for the next two years after they no longer pay you.
  - Communitivity 5y ago
    Yes. I had one company try to get me to sign a non-compete that would have ensured I couldn't get a job in my field for two years unless I moved across the country. I countered that I would sign that, if and only if (a) I was paid a two-year salary equivalent bonus on hiring, and (b) my offer was tripled since they expected to own everything I created 24/7. They backed down from requiring the noncompete.
duckfang 5y ago
Lets be clear here. You were not held at gunpoint to sign this. The worst case is "dont work at IBM".
- supportlocal4h 5y ago
  On the other hand, IBM owes you 6000+ hours of overtime per year. And a good chunk of that is double overtime, and probably triple overtime.
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  True but it becomes more of an issue once it evolves to be an industry standard. You're not forced to work for IBM but you're pretty much forced to work somewhere.
- marakv2 5y ago
  That's not a fair argument. If there were many companies offering the same pay, with a higher ratio of offerings to applicants than yes that would be applicable. I'd your trying to say that they can sign away their rights than that is a different argument. Pay and rights arnt/shouldnt be interchangeable, I'll work for you for X money but there isn't an amount that will make me give uo my rights. Why? Well someone else will undercut that , and then they will be undercut and you eventually end up with no rights.
andi999 5y ago
Actually how does this work? If you work for another company later they own what you create then?

by dayre 5y ago

MattGaiser 5y ago

> And for x years after leaving the company belonged to them This is the even more crazy part. They continue to own you after no longer paying you.

supportlocal4h 5y ago
It's the same thing, really. They pay you for eight hours but continue to own you for the next 16 hours. They pay you for two years but continue to own you for the next two years after they no longer pay you.
- Communitivity 5y ago
  Yes. I had one company try to get me to sign a non-compete that would have ensured I couldn't get a job in my field for two years unless I moved across the country. I countered that I would sign that, if and only if (a) I was paid a two-year salary equivalent bonus on hiring, and (b) my offer was tripled since they expected to own everything I created 24/7. They backed down from requiring the noncompete.

duckfang 5y ago

Lets be clear here. You were not held at gunpoint to sign this. The worst case is "dont work at IBM".

supportlocal4h 5y ago
On the other hand, IBM owes you 6000+ hours of overtime per year. And a good chunk of that is double overtime, and probably triple overtime.
GekkePrutser 5y ago
True but it becomes more of an issue once it evolves to be an industry standard. You're not forced to work for IBM but you're pretty much forced to work somewhere.
marakv2 5y ago
That's not a fair argument. If there were many companies offering the same pay, with a higher ratio of offerings to applicants than yes that would be applicable. I'd your trying to say that they can sign away their rights than that is a different argument. Pay and rights arnt/shouldnt be interchangeable, I'll work for you for X money but there isn't an amount that will make me give uo my rights. Why? Well someone else will undercut that , and then they will be undercut and you eventually end up with no rights.

andi999 5y ago

Actually how does this work? If you work for another company later they own what you create then?