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- Define 'structural racism' and why it forces blacks to be far more criminal and violent than the rest of the population. - Can poverty explain, for example,

by culot 5y ago

- Define 'structural racism' and why it forces blacks to be far more criminal and violent than the rest of the population. - Can poverty explain, for example, why blacks in Wisconsin commit 2/3 of all violent crime while they are only 7% of the state's population? There are wholly White and Native American cities in Wisconsin that are dirt poor - the poorest - and yet they are not committing insanely high levels of crime.

bingbong70 5y ago
Criminalizing an underclass isn't a new concept, its been done in many places to many races around the world with varying success. >why it forces blacks to be far more criminal I think the fact that UK blacks commit crimes at a far lower rate than US whites throws a wrench in this type of oversimplification of the racial landscape.
- spazrunaway 5y ago
  Citation badly needed. https://news.sky.com/story/amp/black-murder-victims-and-suspects-london-v-uk-11443656 https://news.sky.com/story/amp/black-murder-victims-and-susp... 3% of the population and 13% of the murders in the UK. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41887-020-00055-y https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41887-020-00055-y 5-6x homicide victimization rate vs whites, and 24x in males 18-24. These multiples are fairly consistent globally.
  - bingbong70 5y ago
    You may have misread the original statement. I'm comparing the US white crime rate to the UK black crime rate. It is clear US whites are far more likely to commit crimes.
    - spazrunaway 5y ago
      Source? It doesn't seem to be true for homicide. The US white rate is consistently between 3-4 per 100k, and the UK black rate is often above 5 per 100k. Either way, all this proves is that the UK is overall a safer country than the US. But the racial disparities within each country are remarkably similar.
      - bingbong70 5y ago
        It also points to the fact that a privileged (at least in regards to wealth/opportunity) race in the US commits crimes at the same or higher rate (depending on category) than an underprivileged race in the UK. We can't remove bias and false criminalization from stats but the contrast between two sister countries is interesting nonetheless. If the simplified overarching premise is "Blacks are uniquely criminal regardless of circumstance", why am I more likely to be a victim of criminality in a room filled with 1000 white Americans than 1000 black Brits?
        spazrunaway 5y ago
        You still haven't provided a source.
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        bingbong70 5y ago
        >Source? It doesn't seem to be true for homicide. The US white rate is consistently between 3-4 per 100k, and the UK black rate is often above 5 per 100k. UK black homicide rate is between 2-4.5 (most recent data) per 100,000. A recent crime spike caused the increase to the 4.5 rate. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/appendixtableshomicideinenglandandwales https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeand...

by culot 5y ago

bingbong70 5y ago

Criminalizing an underclass isn't a new concept, its been done in many places to many races around the world with varying success. >why it forces blacks to be far more criminal I think the fact that UK blacks commit crimes at a far lower rate than US whites throws a wrench in this type of oversimplification of the racial landscape.

spazrunaway 5y ago
Citation badly needed. https://news.sky.com/story/amp/black-murder-victims-and-suspects-london-v-uk-11443656 https://news.sky.com/story/amp/black-murder-victims-and-susp... 3% of the population and 13% of the murders in the UK. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41887-020-00055-y https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41887-020-00055-y 5-6x homicide victimization rate vs whites, and 24x in males 18-24. These multiples are fairly consistent globally.
- bingbong70 5y ago
  You may have misread the original statement. I'm comparing the US white crime rate to the UK black crime rate. It is clear US whites are far more likely to commit crimes.
  - spazrunaway 5y ago
    Source? It doesn't seem to be true for homicide. The US white rate is consistently between 3-4 per 100k, and the UK black rate is often above 5 per 100k. Either way, all this proves is that the UK is overall a safer country than the US. But the racial disparities within each country are remarkably similar.
    - bingbong70 5y ago
      It also points to the fact that a privileged (at least in regards to wealth/opportunity) race in the US commits crimes at the same or higher rate (depending on category) than an underprivileged race in the UK. We can't remove bias and false criminalization from stats but the contrast between two sister countries is interesting nonetheless. If the simplified overarching premise is "Blacks are uniquely criminal regardless of circumstance", why am I more likely to be a victim of criminality in a room filled with 1000 white Americans than 1000 black Brits?
      - spazrunaway 5y ago
        You still haven't provided a source.
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        bingbong70 5y ago
        >Source? It doesn't seem to be true for homicide. The US white rate is consistently between 3-4 per 100k, and the UK black rate is often above 5 per 100k. UK black homicide rate is between 2-4.5 (most recent data) per 100,000. A recent crime spike caused the increase to the 4.5 rate. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/appendixtableshomicideinenglandandwales https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeand...