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How is this going to work when a lot of sites/apps start to use QUIC? It's like blocking HTTPS because "the limitations upon network management are massive"

sjwright 5y ago
HTTPS is necessary. QUIC is not. It’s going to be a long time before any site requires QUIC in order to work.
pimterry 5y ago
Many sites will support QUIC soon, but they won't strictly require it for a long time, it's negotiated and backward compatibility isn't irrelevant quite yet.
Matthias247 5y ago
They will always have to support a fallback (HTTP/1.1 or HTTP/2), because not all users are guaranteed to have success with QUIC. Blocked UDP traffic and ports can be some reasons why it won't work, too small supported MTUs can be other reasons.
tialaramex 5y ago
It's going to make things work slightly less well from the corporate office than they do at home on your cheap setup. That's a continuing trend, and you might recognise it from other aspects of life. Paying more while deliberately choosing a worse service is pretty much life-as-usual for corporations. One of my previous employers had a deal to get train tickets. In my country train tickets for actual consumers, even ordered online, don't have a service fee. After all in choosing to order online you're actually saving them money, why would it cost extra? But the corporation paid about 5% fees to get train tickets from a company which also provides those zero fee services to individuals. Or think about all the companies where Windows XP desktops were still being used years after they were obviously the wrong choice. Monday to Friday the world IPv6 utilisation goes down, but every weekend it's back up. Because at home people have IPv6 (even if they've never thought about it) while at work somebody explicitly turned that off. One of the nice things about working from home is that my network works very well, whereas whether I worked for a startup or a billion dollar corporation it was always one problem or another when I was in the office. Which reminds me, I should really look for a new job as this pandemic begins to slacken off.
- Sebb767 5y ago
  > Or think about all the companies where Windows XP desktops were still being used years after they were obviously the wrong choice. I like that you used past tense there, but I'm pretty sure XP is not dead yet. Unfortunately :/

sjwright 5y ago

HTTPS is necessary. QUIC is not. It’s going to be a long time before any site requires QUIC in order to work.

pimterry 5y ago

Many sites will support QUIC soon, but they won't strictly require it for a long time, it's negotiated and backward compatibility isn't irrelevant quite yet.

Matthias247 5y ago

They will always have to support a fallback (HTTP/1.1 or HTTP/2), because not all users are guaranteed to have success with QUIC. Blocked UDP traffic and ports can be some reasons why it won't work, too small supported MTUs can be other reasons.

tialaramex 5y ago

It's going to make things work slightly less well from the corporate office than they do at home on your cheap setup. That's a continuing trend, and you might recognise it from other aspects of life. Paying more while deliberately choosing a worse service is pretty much life-as-usual for corporations. One of my previous employers had a deal to get train tickets. In my country train tickets for actual consumers, even ordered online, don't have a service fee. After all in choosing to order online you're actually saving them money, why would it cost extra? But the corporation paid about 5% fees to get train tickets from a company which also provides those zero fee services to individuals. Or think about all the companies where Windows XP desktops were still being used years after they were obviously the wrong choice. Monday to Friday the world IPv6 utilisation goes down, but every weekend it's back up. Because at home people have IPv6 (even if they've never thought about it) while at work somebody explicitly turned that off. One of the nice things about working from home is that my network works very well, whereas whether I worked for a startup or a billion dollar corporation it was always one problem or another when I was in the office. Which reminds me, I should really look for a new job as this pandemic begins to slacken off.

Sebb767 5y ago
> Or think about all the companies where Windows XP desktops were still being used years after they were obviously the wrong choice. I like that you used past tense there, but I'm pretty sure XP is not dead yet. Unfortunately :/