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I've recently switched from my usual MBP upgrade to System 76 (Oryx Pro). While yes, Apple's walled garden does feel like a Rolls Royce compared to anything, th

by fnl 5y ago

I've recently switched from my usual MBP upgrade to System 76 (Oryx Pro). While yes, Apple's walled garden does feel like a Rolls Royce compared to anything, the price tag difference this time was just way too step for me to keep buying a new Mac: It was basically 2x or more for roughly similar hardware, if not slightly worse on the MBP side. Overall, using Pop_OS! with its specialized GNOME3 setup has been a bliss, and I must say I had expected a far more difficult migration. In a few days I was happily up and running with my new machine. And then, there is the support - Apple's support outside of visiting a Genius Bar is basically non-existent. System76 has diligently helped me even set up external hardware that wasn't theirs! Long story short, very much looking forward to COSMIC and continuing this experience. The only thing I do miss a lot is my iTerm2... :)

skrtskrt 5y ago
iTerm2 is a beauty, is there a closest equivalent on Linux? There seem to be 25 popular choices especially now with the GPU-accelerated ones. Tried a few of the classics like Termite and they all seemed painfully outdated and crappy compared to iTerm.
- mxschumacher 5y ago
  I use iterm at work and a combination of alacritty, fish and i3-wm (so I don't open multiple tabs but just several terminal windows) on my personal machine, I'm really happy with that setup.
- joelthelion 5y ago
  Gnome terminal is really good.
  - skrtskrt 5y ago
    On Pop OS I just stuck with gnome-terminal, it was plenty good if not quite as slick as iterm2.
    - instb3at 5y ago
      Try installing tilix and 'Oh-my-zsh'. I did that to my desktop and couldn't be any happier.
      - monopoledance 5y ago
        Or if you are up for something new, try fish, which has a nice out of the box experience and so many nice features. Like 'alt + h' for manpage of the command you are working on, or 'alt + s' to toggle sudo. Multi-line editing is a bliss too. The only thing I dearly miss is cmd <<< "string".
- dsego 5y ago
  There is tilix, not sure how close it comes though. https://gnunn1.github.io/tilix-web/ https://gnunn1.github.io/tilix-web/
- favadi 5y ago
  I don’t get the love for iTerm2. I tried it before and see nothing appealing for me over the built in Terminap.app. And it seems to be slower too. On Linux, I just use whatever ship with the distro Gnome Terminal, Konsole... and they work fine.
  - t00ny 5y ago
    Same here all my colleagues use it, but I don't see any advantages except maybe for the built-in split view.
  - skrtskrt 5y ago
    The search for text -> tab to highlight more of a search result -> the highlighted text is already copied to the clipboard automatically workflow was such a game changer for me, it’s so snappy. Could probably be configured on other terminals?
    - techn00 5y ago
      Konsole has all of that
      - jwatt 5y ago
        One thing that irks me about Konsole is that it doesn't rewrap the scrollback when the window is resized. Apparently that will be fixed in Konsole 21.04 though: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196998 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196998
  - inDigiNeous 5y ago
    I had the same experience, Apples Terminal.app is a really beautifully built terminal. But newer versions of iTerm2 proved me over, it finally felt as fast or faster than Terminal.app. What initially invited me to test iTerm2 was the one button quake style scroll-down terminal, but I stayed for the better tab management and much more customizable options.
  - girvo 5y ago
    There are some useful features (tmux integration), but honestly I agree. I've moved back to Terminal.app entirely myself; though honestly I mostly live in the Terminal panel in VSCode these days anyway
- buu700 5y ago
  I originally discovered and started using iTerm2 because I was looking for an OS X equivalent to Yakuake, which is pretty much the same thing as Konsole but with a dropdown/Quake-like UI.
- iimblack 5y ago
  I like kitty
- brianzelip 5y ago
  I switched from iTerm2 to Hyper, which has been great and is cross platform. https://hyper.is/ https://hyper.is/
  - notamy 5y ago
    How is it with lots of text being displayed? VSC's terminal is unbearably laggy for me when there's more than like 10% of the terminal covered in text, is this similar?
    - brianzelip 5y ago
      I think I know what you mean wrt Code's terminal. I haven't experienced buggyness in Hyper. Give it a try!
- theta_d 5y ago
  Try Terminator. If you just want the ability to do window splits easily it works pretty well. Though I do miss the tmux integration from iTerm2.
- k_bx 5y ago
  My solution is tmux. I’m using white status line with C-z prefix on localhost, and green status line with prefix M-z on servers. This way I can reuse my finger memory, be equally productive on macOS, local Linux, remote Linux.
- cultofmetatron 5y ago
  I'm on osx but I switched to kitty a year ago. Its GPU accelerated and super fast. hard to go back to term after feeling how snappy it is. Plus its available on linux as well!
gowld 5y ago
There is no configuration where MBP and Oryx Pro have "roughly similar hardware". They are completely different designs.
human301 5y ago
That's exactly what I did a week ago (with a Fusion 15, but System76 was a serious competitor). It took a day to customize the thing to my heavily-apple-influenced habits and it was a joy to find out I could actually feel _pleasure_ using the machine, something I had forgotten 3 or 4 macOS updates ago. Now, do we need another DE? Dunno, wouldn't make the top of my wishlist. I realize the good I'm getting comes much more from intelligent choices of sensible defaults rather than specific features. It's removing - or, if you prefer amend - the noise (apps/utils/extensions/clutterware) the key here, even more so for the open-source software ocean of half-baked solutions. Yes, that's what distributions are for but unfortunately even the biggest struggle to keep a steady route (think Ubuntu and Unity, for instance) and often fall for the latest shining tech everybody wants (hint: no, there's a whole lot of people who'd better like a stable, predictable, coherent environment to a new set of flashy icons and widget palettes). And if you wonder what would make the top of my whishlist, it's solid a development environment (again, a-la macOS but it's actually a-la OpenStep and NextStep, where it all started) enforcing good defaults at the OS level, letting people/companies build quality apps easily and preventing them to disrupt/reinvent existing OS patterns/paradigms (without a reason). Or we could keep on downloading browsers-disguised-as-applications and call it a day.

by fnl 5y ago

skrtskrt 5y ago

iTerm2 is a beauty, is there a closest equivalent on Linux? There seem to be 25 popular choices especially now with the GPU-accelerated ones. Tried a few of the classics like Termite and they all seemed painfully outdated and crappy compared to iTerm.

mxschumacher 5y ago
I use iterm at work and a combination of alacritty, fish and i3-wm (so I don't open multiple tabs but just several terminal windows) on my personal machine, I'm really happy with that setup.
joelthelion 5y ago
Gnome terminal is really good.
- skrtskrt 5y ago
  On Pop OS I just stuck with gnome-terminal, it was plenty good if not quite as slick as iterm2.
  - instb3at 5y ago
    Try installing tilix and 'Oh-my-zsh'. I did that to my desktop and couldn't be any happier.
    - monopoledance 5y ago
      Or if you are up for something new, try fish, which has a nice out of the box experience and so many nice features. Like 'alt + h' for manpage of the command you are working on, or 'alt + s' to toggle sudo. Multi-line editing is a bliss too. The only thing I dearly miss is cmd <<< "string".
dsego 5y ago
There is tilix, not sure how close it comes though. https://gnunn1.github.io/tilix-web/ https://gnunn1.github.io/tilix-web/
favadi 5y ago
I don’t get the love for iTerm2. I tried it before and see nothing appealing for me over the built in Terminap.app. And it seems to be slower too. On Linux, I just use whatever ship with the distro Gnome Terminal, Konsole... and they work fine.
- t00ny 5y ago
  Same here all my colleagues use it, but I don't see any advantages except maybe for the built-in split view.
- skrtskrt 5y ago
  The search for text -> tab to highlight more of a search result -> the highlighted text is already copied to the clipboard automatically workflow was such a game changer for me, it’s so snappy. Could probably be configured on other terminals?
  - techn00 5y ago
    Konsole has all of that
    - jwatt 5y ago
      One thing that irks me about Konsole is that it doesn't rewrap the scrollback when the window is resized. Apparently that will be fixed in Konsole 21.04 though: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196998 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196998
- inDigiNeous 5y ago
  I had the same experience, Apples Terminal.app is a really beautifully built terminal. But newer versions of iTerm2 proved me over, it finally felt as fast or faster than Terminal.app. What initially invited me to test iTerm2 was the one button quake style scroll-down terminal, but I stayed for the better tab management and much more customizable options.
- girvo 5y ago
  There are some useful features (tmux integration), but honestly I agree. I've moved back to Terminal.app entirely myself; though honestly I mostly live in the Terminal panel in VSCode these days anyway
buu700 5y ago
I originally discovered and started using iTerm2 because I was looking for an OS X equivalent to Yakuake, which is pretty much the same thing as Konsole but with a dropdown/Quake-like UI.
iimblack 5y ago
I like kitty
brianzelip 5y ago
I switched from iTerm2 to Hyper, which has been great and is cross platform. https://hyper.is/ https://hyper.is/
- notamy 5y ago
  How is it with lots of text being displayed? VSC's terminal is unbearably laggy for me when there's more than like 10% of the terminal covered in text, is this similar?
  - brianzelip 5y ago
    I think I know what you mean wrt Code's terminal. I haven't experienced buggyness in Hyper. Give it a try!
theta_d 5y ago
Try Terminator. If you just want the ability to do window splits easily it works pretty well. Though I do miss the tmux integration from iTerm2.
k_bx 5y ago
My solution is tmux. I’m using white status line with C-z prefix on localhost, and green status line with prefix M-z on servers. This way I can reuse my finger memory, be equally productive on macOS, local Linux, remote Linux.
cultofmetatron 5y ago
I'm on osx but I switched to kitty a year ago. Its GPU accelerated and super fast. hard to go back to term after feeling how snappy it is. Plus its available on linux as well!

gowld 5y ago

There is no configuration where MBP and Oryx Pro have "roughly similar hardware". They are completely different designs.

human301 5y ago

That's exactly what I did a week ago (with a Fusion 15, but System76 was a serious competitor). It took a day to customize the thing to my heavily-apple-influenced habits and it was a joy to find out I could actually feel _pleasure_ using the machine, something I had forgotten 3 or 4 macOS updates ago. Now, do we need another DE? Dunno, wouldn't make the top of my wishlist. I realize the good I'm getting comes much more from intelligent choices of sensible defaults rather than specific features. It's removing - or, if you prefer amend - the noise (apps/utils/extensions/clutterware) the key here, even more so for the open-source software ocean of half-baked solutions. Yes, that's what distributions are for but unfortunately even the biggest struggle to keep a steady route (think Ubuntu and Unity, for instance) and often fall for the latest shining tech everybody wants (hint: no, there's a whole lot of people who'd better like a stable, predictable, coherent environment to a new set of flashy icons and widget palettes). And if you wonder what would make the top of my whishlist, it's solid a development environment (again, a-la macOS but it's actually a-la OpenStep and NextStep, where it all started) enforcing good defaults at the OS level, letting people/companies build quality apps easily and preventing them to disrupt/reinvent existing OS patterns/paradigms (without a reason). Or we could keep on downloading browsers-disguised-as-applications and call it a day.