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What does Microsoft get out of this? They already have TTS and deep learning transcription, what technical capabilities does Nuance have that they don't have al

by struct 5y ago

What does Microsoft get out of this? They already have TTS and deep learning transcription, what technical capabilities does Nuance have that they don't have already (or can't develop for substantially less than $20B?)

seibelj 5y ago
Nuance owns a ton of patents and are extremely litigious.
bitwize 5y ago
Probably a crapton of patents for voice recognition. Also, if you cannot operate a keyboard and must communicate by speech to operate a computer, it's pretty much Dragon NaturallySpeaking or GTFO. Integrating NaturallySpeaking tech into Windows would be a huge boon and further cement Windows as the os to have if you have disabilities.
- lunixbochs 5y ago
  I have users who have intentionally switched their speech engine from the latest version of Dragon to Talon, for both dictation and commands. Talon is cross platform and directly targets accessibility use cases (far more than just speech input).
  - 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
    I switched from dragon to talon a while back... and then back to dragon :-\ Not to bash though. You've built a great product!
    - lunixbochs 5y ago
      I'm specifically talking about the new Conformer model, available in early access as of ten days ago. What you tried was likely the previous (circa 2018) model, which is much less accurate than Conformer. This is a demo of Conformer in Talon: https://twitter.com/lunixbochs/status/1378159234861264896 https://twitter.com/lunixbochs/status/1378159234861264896
      - 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
        Oh cool! Yeah I was using whatever the beta model was in December or so.
- raobit 5y ago
  Is it slowly going to turn towards like the OS in movie 'Her', how much of it is really possible?
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radicalbyte 5y ago
Nuance are absolutely miles ahead of the competition the second you're looking any other language than English.
- Nimitz14 5y ago
  I don't think this is accurate (and I work in this field).
  - eghad 5y ago
    And what do you suggest is better? I've worked with nearly every tool (open source and closed) under the sun in medical, industrial, and personal settings and Dragon NaturallySpeaking/Professional was by far the best in terms of accuracy regardless of prosody, accent, background noise, technical terms used, etc. Personally I think they should've been acquired a decade ago.
    - Nimitz14 5y ago
      That answer depends on the language and on your use case. It seems like you're asking about desktop apps, but my parent was not talking in that context. Indeed there's not a lot of choice there because there's no money in it.
      - eghad 5y ago
        I'm even talking vs custom trained models with Kaldi (was working on a startup that was trying to create lessons for public speaking so we could grab enough data to tackle accent remediation/help those with aphasic speech disorders) and again just reiterating, the out of the box performance of Nuance's products are just better than anything else. Obviously Nuance is more than just speech recognition, but still not sure why people are downplaying how good they were at it. EDIT: or maybe it's just too prohibitively expensive for people outside of medical/legal fields to know about? And don't get me wrong, I love that things like Talon Voice are widely available for hands free coding, I just hope this means NaturallySpeaking will supplant Windows Dictation.

by struct 5y ago

seibelj 5y ago

Nuance owns a ton of patents and are extremely litigious.

bitwize 5y ago

Probably a crapton of patents for voice recognition. Also, if you cannot operate a keyboard and must communicate by speech to operate a computer, it's pretty much Dragon NaturallySpeaking or GTFO. Integrating NaturallySpeaking tech into Windows would be a huge boon and further cement Windows as the os to have if you have disabilities.

lunixbochs 5y ago
I have users who have intentionally switched their speech engine from the latest version of Dragon to Talon, for both dictation and commands. Talon is cross platform and directly targets accessibility use cases (far more than just speech input).
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
  I switched from dragon to talon a while back... and then back to dragon :-\ Not to bash though. You've built a great product!
  - lunixbochs 5y ago
    I'm specifically talking about the new Conformer model, available in early access as of ten days ago. What you tried was likely the previous (circa 2018) model, which is much less accurate than Conformer. This is a demo of Conformer in Talon: https://twitter.com/lunixbochs/status/1378159234861264896 https://twitter.com/lunixbochs/status/1378159234861264896
    - 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
      Oh cool! Yeah I was using whatever the beta model was in December or so.
raobit 5y ago
Is it slowly going to turn towards like the OS in movie 'Her', how much of it is really possible?

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radicalbyte 5y ago

Nuance are absolutely miles ahead of the competition the second you're looking any other language than English.

Nimitz14 5y ago
I don't think this is accurate (and I work in this field).
- eghad 5y ago
  And what do you suggest is better? I've worked with nearly every tool (open source and closed) under the sun in medical, industrial, and personal settings and Dragon NaturallySpeaking/Professional was by far the best in terms of accuracy regardless of prosody, accent, background noise, technical terms used, etc. Personally I think they should've been acquired a decade ago.
  - Nimitz14 5y ago
    That answer depends on the language and on your use case. It seems like you're asking about desktop apps, but my parent was not talking in that context. Indeed there's not a lot of choice there because there's no money in it.
    - eghad 5y ago
      I'm even talking vs custom trained models with Kaldi (was working on a startup that was trying to create lessons for public speaking so we could grab enough data to tackle accent remediation/help those with aphasic speech disorders) and again just reiterating, the out of the box performance of Nuance's products are just better than anything else. Obviously Nuance is more than just speech recognition, but still not sure why people are downplaying how good they were at it. EDIT: or maybe it's just too prohibitively expensive for people outside of medical/legal fields to know about? And don't get me wrong, I love that things like Talon Voice are widely available for hands free coding, I just hope this means NaturallySpeaking will supplant Windows Dictation.