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There were shirts printed with > MAGA > Civil War > Jan 6th "It's just a prank bro" doesn't really hold a lot of water when the actions taken at the e

There were shirts printed with > MAGA > Civil War > Jan 6th "It's just a prank bro" doesn't really hold a lot of water when the actions taken at the event look indistinguishable from what the "real" version would look like. The shirts: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-goods/22225538/capitol-insurrection-riot-sweatshirts-hats https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-go... Violent chat in their private channels: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/capitol-riot-far-right-extremists-telegram-1120511/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/capitol-ri... An analysis and reporting of the Maga mob's garbage chats: https://idontspeakgerman.libsyn.com/77-capital-coup https://idontspeakgerman.libsyn.com/77-capital-coup (audio) There's just so much actual, verifiable evidence of what happened that it is stunning to me that anyone would come along and say "no they were just upset at what they think was unfair" But also why I don't really get involved in discussions with them anymore. If we can't come to terms around the existence of objective reality then anything further is a total waste of time. :)

Grieving 5y ago
> MAGA > Civil War > Jan 6th Rhetoric about civil war was on everyone's lips in 2020. Both conservatives and liberals increasingly expected one. Conservatives were more 'ready' for one, being opposed to the status quo. Stating that you're prepared to fight for your beliefs in an extremely heated and increasingly repressive political environment doesn't make you responsible for that environment. This is a lot like the whining about Trump's 'fight' rhetoric which his defense skewered with their mashup of more extreme rhetoric from his detractors. FWIW revolution was never going to happen though. Americans have no revolutionary potential. > The shirts: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-go https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-go... A handful of edgy shirts at a massive protest does not an insurrection make. > "It's just a prank bro" doesn't really hold a lot of water when the actions taken at the event look indistinguishable from what the "real" version would look like. I don't think you know much about what a "real" one looks like. > Violent chat in their private channels: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/capitol-ri https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/capitol-ri... Again, a lot of empty hyperbole from a small minority, par for the course with 'the resistance', antifa, etc. > An analysis and reporting of the Maga mob's garbage chats: https://idontspeakgerman.libsyn.com/77-capital-coup https://idontspeakgerman.libsyn.com/77-capital-coup (audio) I've had to sit through I Don't Speak German before. Garbage, unsubstantive regurgitation of bourgeois talking-points. No thank you.
jfengel 5y ago
It shouldn't be a surprise. It didn't just spring into existence. They got here by being subjected to a long campaign of ignoring actual, verifiable evidence. Decades long, if not longer. There was a battle over basic epistemology, and objective reality lost. Everything else has followed on from that.

Grieving 5y ago

> MAGA > Civil War > Jan 6th Rhetoric about civil war was on everyone's lips in 2020. Both conservatives and liberals increasingly expected one. Conservatives were more 'ready' for one, being opposed to the status quo. Stating that you're prepared to fight for your beliefs in an extremely heated and increasingly repressive political environment doesn't make you responsible for that environment. This is a lot like the whining about Trump's 'fight' rhetoric which his defense skewered with their mashup of more extreme rhetoric from his detractors. FWIW revolution was never going to happen though. Americans have no revolutionary potential. > The shirts: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-go https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-go... A handful of edgy shirts at a massive protest does not an insurrection make. > "It's just a prank bro" doesn't really hold a lot of water when the actions taken at the event look indistinguishable from what the "real" version would look like. I don't think you know much about what a "real" one looks like. > Violent chat in their private channels: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/capitol-ri https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/capitol-ri... Again, a lot of empty hyperbole from a small minority, par for the course with 'the resistance', antifa, etc. > An analysis and reporting of the Maga mob's garbage chats: https://idontspeakgerman.libsyn.com/77-capital-coup https://idontspeakgerman.libsyn.com/77-capital-coup (audio) I've had to sit through I Don't Speak German before. Garbage, unsubstantive regurgitation of bourgeois talking-points. No thank you.

jfengel 5y ago

It shouldn't be a surprise. It didn't just spring into existence. They got here by being subjected to a long campaign of ignoring actual, verifiable evidence. Decades long, if not longer. There was a battle over basic epistemology, and objective reality lost. Everything else has followed on from that.