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I believe they mean it can't effectively be sold if everyone has it. It loses value as a commodity if anyone can access it, but the value of the data is still i

I believe they mean it can't effectively be sold if everyone has it. It loses value as a commodity if anyone can access it, but the value of the data is still in tact.

kabes 5y ago
But facebook is not in the business of selling your data. It's in the business of selling your attention and it uses data to do so. There's nothing about this leak that changes Facebook's position in this market in this regard.
- lostlogin 5y ago
  > But facebook is not in the business of selling your data. There are an awful lot of arguments against this stance and the argument supporting the claim appear to split hairs in a very convenient manner.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    I can’t find any Facebook resource that says I can buy data, or any other reputable source that reports Facebook is selling details about people. Can you provide any?
    - lostlogin 5y ago
      https://theatlantic.com/article/578599/ https://theatlantic.com/article/578599/ https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46618582 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46618582 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/facebook-data-privacy-scandal-settlement-cambridge-analytica-court-a9003106.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/facebook-d... This one is interesting and refutes the argument you are making “When the company argues that it is not selling data, but rather selling targeted advertising, it’s luring you into a semantic trap, encouraging you to imagine that the only way of selling data is to send advertisers a file filled with user information. Congress may have fallen for this trap set up by Mr. Zuckerberg, but that doesn’t mean you have to. The fact that your data is not disclosed in an Excel spreadsheet but through a click on a targeted ad is irrelevant. Data still changes hands and goes to the advertiser.” https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/14/18140146/does-facebook-sell-data-debate-volume-infinity https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/14/18140146/does-facebook-s... It’s in reaction to this below link in the NYT which is also interesting. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/12/opinion/facebook-data-privacy-advertising.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/12/opinion/facebook-data-pri... I argue that FB makes money by collecting data, then selling it. What’s the opposing view?
      - lotsofpulp 5y ago
        There’s no trap. We’re simply using different definitions of “data” or “personal data”.
      - syockit 5y ago
        The opposing view is that the leaked data is only valid up to the time of the leak, and there is no guarantee it doesn't go stale, while Facebook has the fresh data.

I believe they mean it can't effectively be sold if everyone has it. It loses value as a commodity if anyone can access it, but the value of the data is still in tact.

kabes 5y ago

But facebook is not in the business of selling your data. It's in the business of selling your attention and it uses data to do so. There's nothing about this leak that changes Facebook's position in this market in this regard.

lostlogin 5y ago
> But facebook is not in the business of selling your data. There are an awful lot of arguments against this stance and the argument supporting the claim appear to split hairs in a very convenient manner.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  I can’t find any Facebook resource that says I can buy data, or any other reputable source that reports Facebook is selling details about people. Can you provide any?
  - lostlogin 5y ago
    https://theatlantic.com/article/578599/ https://theatlantic.com/article/578599/ https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46618582 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46618582 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/facebook-data-privacy-scandal-settlement-cambridge-analytica-court-a9003106.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/facebook-d... This one is interesting and refutes the argument you are making “When the company argues that it is not selling data, but rather selling targeted advertising, it’s luring you into a semantic trap, encouraging you to imagine that the only way of selling data is to send advertisers a file filled with user information. Congress may have fallen for this trap set up by Mr. Zuckerberg, but that doesn’t mean you have to. The fact that your data is not disclosed in an Excel spreadsheet but through a click on a targeted ad is irrelevant. Data still changes hands and goes to the advertiser.” https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/14/18140146/does-facebook-sell-data-debate-volume-infinity https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/14/18140146/does-facebook-s... It’s in reaction to this below link in the NYT which is also interesting. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/12/opinion/facebook-data-privacy-advertising.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/12/opinion/facebook-data-pri... I argue that FB makes money by collecting data, then selling it. What’s the opposing view?
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      There’s no trap. We’re simply using different definitions of “data” or “personal data”.
    - syockit 5y ago
      The opposing view is that the leaked data is only valid up to the time of the leak, and there is no guarantee it doesn't go stale, while Facebook has the fresh data.