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It's really sad to see that even hacker news has now been plagued by sinophobic racism

anu7df 5y ago
I interpret the parent comment "Chinese don't want to be Chinese" as no one (including Chinese citizens) wants to be under the thumb of an authoritarian government. Not a racist comment.
pyinstallwoes 5y ago
Both points are over generalizations. It's obviously a complex issue. I've been to Taiwan, I've been to Hong Kong, and from my conversations with all types of people the best I can understand as a foreigner is that the Government is not what being Chinese is about. It's about the culture at the end of the day. You could argue that some population of Chinese have kept a certain culture present from a particular time. There's a lot of what I was told (I can't really know) traditional culture in Taiwan. There was an interesting mix of old and new in Hong Kong. It's sad to see so much conflict as a result of weaponizing identity and heritage. The stuff of lore is what makes any story interesting, and we destroy it with inept government structures.
gfaure 5y ago
Don't confuse anti-PRC sentiment with anti-Chinese sentiment. It is a classic strategy to conveniently conflate the two only when the CPC is being criticised.
- tidenly 5y ago
  Surely you should be aiming this at the person who said "Even chinese don't want to be Chinese" - conflating the two, and not the person pointing out how incorrect that statement sounds.
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snakeboy 5y ago
See also: > [Critiques of Israeli government] > "It's really sad to see ... plagued by anti-semitism".
1996 5y ago
This, so much. Everything I say is always taken as apologism, while I just like my country. If a US born american like his country, it's patriotism. If a China born naturalized american likes both of his countries, it's proof of CCP manipulation. Impossible to win.
- bryanrasmussen 5y ago
  >If a US born american like his country, it's patriotism. I'm familiar with lots of narratives that say an American who loves America has been brainwashed by the system. Or is in a position of privilege and is thus not familiar with the problems inherent in the system.
nuller 5y ago
For what its worth, I am married to a Chinese and I have spent months with Chinese peasants in the rural parts of China. Literally living in mud like houses.
pdpi 5y ago
I think you missed a subtlety there, the point is not even the Chinese (people) want to be Chinese (citizens). It’s not sinophobic to say that the Chinese government and the CCP are messed up. I don’t doubt that many Chinese people would rather they weren’t subjected to that regime. That is entirely separate from hatred/fear/negativity toward Chinese people and/or their culture.

I interpret the parent comment "Chinese don't want to be Chinese" as no one (including Chinese citizens) wants to be under the thumb of an authoritarian government. Not a racist comment.

pyinstallwoes 5y ago

Both points are over generalizations. It's obviously a complex issue. I've been to Taiwan, I've been to Hong Kong, and from my conversations with all types of people the best I can understand as a foreigner is that the Government is not what being Chinese is about. It's about the culture at the end of the day. You could argue that some population of Chinese have kept a certain culture present from a particular time. There's a lot of what I was told (I can't really know) traditional culture in Taiwan. There was an interesting mix of old and new in Hong Kong. It's sad to see so much conflict as a result of weaponizing identity and heritage. The stuff of lore is what makes any story interesting, and we destroy it with inept government structures.

gfaure 5y ago

Don't confuse anti-PRC sentiment with anti-Chinese sentiment. It is a classic strategy to conveniently conflate the two only when the CPC is being criticised.

tidenly 5y ago
Surely you should be aiming this at the person who said "Even chinese don't want to be Chinese" - conflating the two, and not the person pointing out how incorrect that statement sounds.

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snakeboy 5y ago

See also: > [Critiques of Israeli government] > "It's really sad to see ... plagued by anti-semitism".

1996 5y ago

This, so much. Everything I say is always taken as apologism, while I just like my country. If a US born american like his country, it's patriotism. If a China born naturalized american likes both of his countries, it's proof of CCP manipulation. Impossible to win.

bryanrasmussen 5y ago
>If a US born american like his country, it's patriotism. I'm familiar with lots of narratives that say an American who loves America has been brainwashed by the system. Or is in a position of privilege and is thus not familiar with the problems inherent in the system.

nuller 5y ago

For what its worth, I am married to a Chinese and I have spent months with Chinese peasants in the rural parts of China. Literally living in mud like houses.

pdpi 5y ago

I think you missed a subtlety there, the point is not even the Chinese (people) want to be Chinese (citizens). It’s not sinophobic to say that the Chinese government and the CCP are messed up. I don’t doubt that many Chinese people would rather they weren’t subjected to that regime. That is entirely separate from hatred/fear/negativity toward Chinese people and/or their culture.