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As a 'white' father of 3 who has been unemployed for the past few years I can tell you that this paper is sole crushing. Its a monument to how backwards common

by 68020 5y ago

As a 'white' father of 3 who has been unemployed for the past few years I can tell you that this paper is sole crushing. Its a monument to how backwards common perception is to reality. Its a declaration from academia to never stop finding ways at punishing (me, my wife and 3 daughters) for my sin of being born white/male/pre1990. From what I have seen, people like me are under-represented in most office environments. Next time you are in an office (in NA at least), look around. Who are the black suited MBAs in charge not hiring? Even the abstract of the paper leads me to believe the the universe is a simulation because why else would it want to destroy opportunities for me and my family and simultaneously assuming, and tying to prove in a lab, that I am the modern Satan.

analyst74 5y ago
By creating racial tension, the upper class in control of media can distract people's anger away from class division.
- undefined1 5y ago
  correct. it's the perfect way to divide the lower class and no coincidence that identity politics was embraced by the upper class after Occupy Wall St https://i.imgur.com/wusW5Rn.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wusW5Rn.jpg
- achillesheels 5y ago
  It’s very profitable to pitch “neo-natal” progeny of recent immigration (>1965) with those with European ancestries which carry natural inter-generational momentum. Trying to find an “equalizing” rainbow trail is a violent red herring, yet has perpetual support because it’s sympathizing. Ending the drug war is better politics.
CyberRabbi 5y ago
You’re not alone. Many of us feel the same way. This system will always hate us, we have to start supporting each other. Give it time. We’re going to make it friend.
- smt88 5y ago
  > we have to start supporting each other Do you currently feel that white men are not supportive of one another? Or were you referring to a subcategory of white men? > Give it time What do you expect time to change?
  - CyberRabbi 5y ago
    White men especially in America tend to pathologically see the world through an individualistic lens and ignore their identity. Things will change as more and more of us start to become conscious of the identity for which the system hates us.
    - smt88 5y ago
      What system(s) hate you? Aren't most governments and corporations still majority white and majority male? > Things will change as more and more of us start to become conscious of the identity for which the system hates us. And then what will you do?
      - CyberRabbi 5y ago
        > What system(s) hate you? Media, academia, corporate hiring, government policy. Places where “be less white” is official policy. [1] > And then what will you do? Form advocacy organizations, lobby groups, PACs, legal defense funds. Same thing every other organized group does. [1] https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/366132 https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/366132
        smt88 5y ago
        All the systems you mentioned have more far more white men than the US as a whole, so are you arguing that white men hate themselves? US: 60% white[1]; 49% male[1]; ~31% white & male[2] Media: 75% white[3]; 50% white & male Academia: 40% white & male[4] College Professors: 53% white & male[5] House: 73% white[5] Senate: 89% white[5] All elected offices in the US in 2014: 65% white & male[2] President: 100% white & male I'm too lazy to keep going, but I feel like I've made my point. Neither white people nor white men are underrepresented in any position of power or wealth. So how can it be that these systems (that people in their demographic control) are against them? 1. https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120219 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120219 2. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/08/65-percent-of-all-american-elected-officials-are-white-men/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/08/65... 3. https://journalistsresource.org/race-and-gender/newsroom-diversity-7-studies/ https://journalistsresource.org/race-and-gender/newsroom-div... 4. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=61 https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=61 5. https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/government_affairs_office/demographics-and-composition-117thcongress.pdf https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/g...
ausbah 5y ago
it's a bit much to extrapolate from a single study in one area. even just reading the conclusion the authors share a few possible limitations of the study even within the field of startup investment
smt88 5y ago
> From what I have seen, people like me are under-represented in most office environments. This is not supported either by anecdote or by data. It's true for some environments, but absolutely not most.
somedude895 5y ago
As a non-American this is so bizarre to me. You get people so full of concern for the hypothetical woman in banking making 100k a year who just can't get that promotion, or the hypothetical black Harvard graduate who gets rejected from tech jobs, while they only show disgust for the unemployed guy living in a trailer with his family and friends ODing dropping dead like flies, simply because of the color of his skin.
- viklove 5y ago
  I'm curious where you're from, because this trend seems to be occurring all over the western world (for example they yellow-vest protests in France, etc.)
john_moscow 5y ago
That's because you probably value independence and critical thinking. You are probably teaching your kids to focus on personal growth, learn from the work environment, look for opportunities, be competitive and keep increasing their own bargaining power. At least, that's what I'm teaching mine. Except, this makes you a threat to the corporations. They don't want you. They want to have someone replaceable, who will fulfill their corporate duties at the minimum possible rate. Who will never challenge their superior, and will be thankful for the opportunity to join the ranks, rather than thinking on how to go independent.
- achillesheels 5y ago
  See The Organization Man Fortunately there are many opportunities now to take petty savings and ramp up some moral autonomy.

by 68020 5y ago

analyst74 5y ago

By creating racial tension, the upper class in control of media can distract people's anger away from class division.

undefined1 5y ago
correct. it's the perfect way to divide the lower class and no coincidence that identity politics was embraced by the upper class after Occupy Wall St https://i.imgur.com/wusW5Rn.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wusW5Rn.jpg
achillesheels 5y ago
It’s very profitable to pitch “neo-natal” progeny of recent immigration (>1965) with those with European ancestries which carry natural inter-generational momentum. Trying to find an “equalizing” rainbow trail is a violent red herring, yet has perpetual support because it’s sympathizing. Ending the drug war is better politics.

CyberRabbi 5y ago

You’re not alone. Many of us feel the same way. This system will always hate us, we have to start supporting each other. Give it time. We’re going to make it friend.

smt88 5y ago
> we have to start supporting each other Do you currently feel that white men are not supportive of one another? Or were you referring to a subcategory of white men? > Give it time What do you expect time to change?
- CyberRabbi 5y ago
  White men especially in America tend to pathologically see the world through an individualistic lens and ignore their identity. Things will change as more and more of us start to become conscious of the identity for which the system hates us.
  - smt88 5y ago
    What system(s) hate you? Aren't most governments and corporations still majority white and majority male? > Things will change as more and more of us start to become conscious of the identity for which the system hates us. And then what will you do?
    - CyberRabbi 5y ago
      > What system(s) hate you? Media, academia, corporate hiring, government policy. Places where “be less white” is official policy. [1] > And then what will you do? Form advocacy organizations, lobby groups, PACs, legal defense funds. Same thing every other organized group does. [1] https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/366132 https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/366132
      - smt88 5y ago
        All the systems you mentioned have more far more white men than the US as a whole, so are you arguing that white men hate themselves? US: 60% white[1]; 49% male[1]; ~31% white & male[2] Media: 75% white[3]; 50% white & male Academia: 40% white & male[4] College Professors: 53% white & male[5] House: 73% white[5] Senate: 89% white[5] All elected offices in the US in 2014: 65% white & male[2] President: 100% white & male I'm too lazy to keep going, but I feel like I've made my point. Neither white people nor white men are underrepresented in any position of power or wealth. So how can it be that these systems (that people in their demographic control) are against them? 1. https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120219 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120219 2. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/08/65-percent-of-all-american-elected-officials-are-white-men/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/08/65... 3. https://journalistsresource.org/race-and-gender/newsroom-diversity-7-studies/ https://journalistsresource.org/race-and-gender/newsroom-div... 4. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=61 https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=61 5. https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/government_affairs_office/demographics-and-composition-117thcongress.pdf https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/g...

ausbah 5y ago

it's a bit much to extrapolate from a single study in one area. even just reading the conclusion the authors share a few possible limitations of the study even within the field of startup investment

smt88 5y ago

> From what I have seen, people like me are under-represented in most office environments. This is not supported either by anecdote or by data. It's true for some environments, but absolutely not most.

somedude895 5y ago

As a non-American this is so bizarre to me. You get people so full of concern for the hypothetical woman in banking making 100k a year who just can't get that promotion, or the hypothetical black Harvard graduate who gets rejected from tech jobs, while they only show disgust for the unemployed guy living in a trailer with his family and friends ODing dropping dead like flies, simply because of the color of his skin.

viklove 5y ago
I'm curious where you're from, because this trend seems to be occurring all over the western world (for example they yellow-vest protests in France, etc.)

john_moscow 5y ago

That's because you probably value independence and critical thinking. You are probably teaching your kids to focus on personal growth, learn from the work environment, look for opportunities, be competitive and keep increasing their own bargaining power. At least, that's what I'm teaching mine. Except, this makes you a threat to the corporations. They don't want you. They want to have someone replaceable, who will fulfill their corporate duties at the minimum possible rate. Who will never challenge their superior, and will be thankful for the opportunity to join the ranks, rather than thinking on how to go independent.

achillesheels 5y ago
See The Organization Man Fortunately there are many opportunities now to take petty savings and ramp up some moral autonomy.