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Are you not in IT? Remote is literally permanent now

d3nj4l 5y ago
Not everywhere. Most companies here in India aren't looking to stay remote long term if they weren't remote friendly before.
- toyg 5y ago
  Considering a lot of their work is sourced from abroad, this is very ironic (in the Morrissette sense).
  - cosmodisk 5y ago
    While it's ironic, I think I understand why it's the case: there's a plethora of managers who can't really manage remotely the way they were used to in the office: by applying lots of pressure to those underneath them. It's much harder to show how big boss you are on zoom compared to an open space office,where 50 poor souls are scared to say anything back.
    - tibbydudeza 5y ago
      And most of them are redundant , was always wondering what most of the managers in our division actually did as we seemed to function better without them during WFH.
DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
lot of companies in EU (especially D/A/CH) also have absolutely no plans to continue WFH. Despite covid restrictions going to be an issue also long term, they have (1 year later) still no strategy that incorporates or improves efficiency in WFH organization and workflows. Instead they all look forward to going back to a time that no longer exists.
- jmfldn 5y ago
  So not the EU obviously but in the UK, or London at the very least, I don't know of a single white collar worker where much-increased WFH won't be the norm. I'm not just talking tech but banking, law and so on. We do indeed seem to be far ahead of our European neighbours in this regard from what I'm seeing.
  - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
    I agree, it will be the new norm. it's just that this insight hasn't arrived yet in many places (and Europe is generally lagging behind in doing things differently compared to how it was done the past hundreds of years). suppose it won't matter really since majority of companies won't survive the coming years anyway (for other reasons) so their short sightedness wrt WFH doesn't really matter :D
    - jmfldn 5y ago
      Yeah totally agree. The UK is much more enlightened and progressive than a lot of Europe on many things (unfashionable opinion, particularly for a "remainer" like me)
      - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
        never mind fashion trends, they come and go :) I think you're on point. Hopefully Britain will bounce back as a beacon of progressive ideas. It was always the voice of reason and brought balance to the dominating German/French axis of bureaucratic/pedantic authoritarian thought. I miss you guys!!
      - cosmodisk 5y ago
        I'm from mainland Europe and have been living in the UK for more than a decade: bundling up all European countries under one 'Europe' umbrella isn't helping. There's insane variety between countries, cultures, and attitudes towards work. The UK in some aspects is ahead,while in others decades behind and the comparisons are often very difficult.
bigwavedave 5y ago
> Are you not in IT? Remote is literally permanent now Sadly, not for everyone. For the company I'm with, before covid we were allowed to spend up to three days out of the week remote as long as we came in for at least the two required days (Monday and Thursday). Then, right before covid, we were told that even this policy was going away and we had to be in the office four days out of the week and could remote on Wednesdays. That policy never took effect because covid hit right before the transition date, so now we're "remote until July 1st 2021, after which we'll reassess the threat and plan on everyone being in the office five days out of the week." I've been so spoiled by WFH, I am not looking forward to going back to two hours of commuting per day.

Not everywhere. Most companies here in India aren't looking to stay remote long term if they weren't remote friendly before.

toyg 5y ago
Considering a lot of their work is sourced from abroad, this is very ironic (in the Morrissette sense).
- cosmodisk 5y ago
  While it's ironic, I think I understand why it's the case: there's a plethora of managers who can't really manage remotely the way they were used to in the office: by applying lots of pressure to those underneath them. It's much harder to show how big boss you are on zoom compared to an open space office,where 50 poor souls are scared to say anything back.
  - tibbydudeza 5y ago
    And most of them are redundant , was always wondering what most of the managers in our division actually did as we seemed to function better without them during WFH.

DyslexicAtheist 5y ago

lot of companies in EU (especially D/A/CH) also have absolutely no plans to continue WFH. Despite covid restrictions going to be an issue also long term, they have (1 year later) still no strategy that incorporates or improves efficiency in WFH organization and workflows. Instead they all look forward to going back to a time that no longer exists.

jmfldn 5y ago
So not the EU obviously but in the UK, or London at the very least, I don't know of a single white collar worker where much-increased WFH won't be the norm. I'm not just talking tech but banking, law and so on. We do indeed seem to be far ahead of our European neighbours in this regard from what I'm seeing.
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  I agree, it will be the new norm. it's just that this insight hasn't arrived yet in many places (and Europe is generally lagging behind in doing things differently compared to how it was done the past hundreds of years). suppose it won't matter really since majority of companies won't survive the coming years anyway (for other reasons) so their short sightedness wrt WFH doesn't really matter :D
  - jmfldn 5y ago
    Yeah totally agree. The UK is much more enlightened and progressive than a lot of Europe on many things (unfashionable opinion, particularly for a "remainer" like me)
    - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
      never mind fashion trends, they come and go :) I think you're on point. Hopefully Britain will bounce back as a beacon of progressive ideas. It was always the voice of reason and brought balance to the dominating German/French axis of bureaucratic/pedantic authoritarian thought. I miss you guys!!
    - cosmodisk 5y ago
      I'm from mainland Europe and have been living in the UK for more than a decade: bundling up all European countries under one 'Europe' umbrella isn't helping. There's insane variety between countries, cultures, and attitudes towards work. The UK in some aspects is ahead,while in others decades behind and the comparisons are often very difficult.

bigwavedave 5y ago

> Are you not in IT? Remote is literally permanent now Sadly, not for everyone. For the company I'm with, before covid we were allowed to spend up to three days out of the week remote as long as we came in for at least the two required days (Monday and Thursday). Then, right before covid, we were told that even this policy was going away and we had to be in the office four days out of the week and could remote on Wednesdays. That policy never took effect because covid hit right before the transition date, so now we're "remote until July 1st 2021, after which we'll reassess the threat and plan on everyone being in the office five days out of the week." I've been so spoiled by WFH, I am not looking forward to going back to two hours of commuting per day.