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Anyone more knowledgeable than myself following any of the research saying that the mRNA vaccines can be dangerous due to over/mis-expression, such as: https:/

Anyone more knowledgeable than myself following any of the research saying that the mRNA vaccines can be dangerous due to over/mis-expression, such as: https://carterheavyindustries.files.wordpress.com/2021/02/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf https://carterheavyindustries.files.wordpress.com/2021/02/co...

capnkap 6y ago
I'm not certain that anyone should be taking a "scientific paper" seriously that concludes with: > Many have raised the warning that the current epidemic of COVID-19 is actually the result of an bioweapons attack released in part by individuals in the United States government Also, a bit about the author: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Bart_Classen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Bart_Classen
- thelazydogsback 6y ago
  Yeah. I couldn't find the other articles I was looking for. His US bioweapon theory is pretty silly. As for "anti-vaxers", though I don't count myself as one or probably agree politically with most of them, I'm going withhold complete judgment there - vaccines are obviously effective, but until there are actually epidemiologically valid multi-generational meta-studies with as many confounding factors as as possible removed (probably requiring placebos be given to a percentage of people) I'm not sure we can separate vaccines from other relatively novel environmental or behavioral factors that may lead to certain diseases, esp. developmental/neurological conditions. I now have a bit less knee-jerk anti-anti-vax attitude after sitting at a table with several doctors who admitted they didn't/wouldn't follow all vaccine protocols with their own children - but I know this is certainly not scientific evidence. But I'll certainly be getting the COVID vaccine when I'm eligible...
- vixen99 6y ago
  Here's one response to this paper. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/can-mrna-based-covid-19- https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/can-mrna-based-covid-19- vaccines-cause-prion-disease/ It concludes (regarding the claim) that "mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines can cause prion disease leading to neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer’s dementia. What are prions, and can these vaccines cause prion disease? (Spoiler alert: The answer to the second question is almost certainly no. It’s speculation based on highly implausible biology.)" Classen is correct in one respect at least: "the current RNA based SARS Cov-2 vaccine has been approved in the US on emergency order without long term safety testing." But I think we all know that and understand why.
graeme 6y ago
Not plausible. Paper has no citations and is by an author who is anti-vaccine in general. Absolutely no other discussion of such a possibility in the field. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/can-mrna-based-covid-19-vaccines-cause-prion-disease/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/can-mrna-based-covid-19-vac...
- thelazydogsback 6y ago
  Thanks for the link
standardUser 6y ago
These people, some who are credentialed, seem to think this is a garbage paper. https://www.reddit.com/r/bioinformatics/comments/kfv7ci/could_mrna_vaccine_cause_prion_disease/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bioinformatics/comments/kfv7ci/coul...
- thelazydogsback 6y ago
  Thanks - I'm going to take these references back to the person who sent me the original article
ineedasername 6y ago
That's about the barest bit of research with a complete lack of details or stats on their methodology & results. I don't even see details on the specific sequences they claimed to identify. And for what it's worth, I also wasn't able to find the journal itself in any major index either.

capnkap 6y ago

I'm not certain that anyone should be taking a "scientific paper" seriously that concludes with: > Many have raised the warning that the current epidemic of COVID-19 is actually the result of an bioweapons attack released in part by individuals in the United States government Also, a bit about the author: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Bart_Classen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Bart_Classen

thelazydogsback 6y ago
Yeah. I couldn't find the other articles I was looking for. His US bioweapon theory is pretty silly. As for "anti-vaxers", though I don't count myself as one or probably agree politically with most of them, I'm going withhold complete judgment there - vaccines are obviously effective, but until there are actually epidemiologically valid multi-generational meta-studies with as many confounding factors as as possible removed (probably requiring placebos be given to a percentage of people) I'm not sure we can separate vaccines from other relatively novel environmental or behavioral factors that may lead to certain diseases, esp. developmental/neurological conditions. I now have a bit less knee-jerk anti-anti-vax attitude after sitting at a table with several doctors who admitted they didn't/wouldn't follow all vaccine protocols with their own children - but I know this is certainly not scientific evidence. But I'll certainly be getting the COVID vaccine when I'm eligible...
vixen99 6y ago
Here's one response to this paper. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/can-mrna-based-covid-19- https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/can-mrna-based-covid-19- vaccines-cause-prion-disease/ It concludes (regarding the claim) that "mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines can cause prion disease leading to neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer’s dementia. What are prions, and can these vaccines cause prion disease? (Spoiler alert: The answer to the second question is almost certainly no. It’s speculation based on highly implausible biology.)" Classen is correct in one respect at least: "the current RNA based SARS Cov-2 vaccine has been approved in the US on emergency order without long term safety testing." But I think we all know that and understand why.

graeme 6y ago

Not plausible. Paper has no citations and is by an author who is anti-vaccine in general. Absolutely no other discussion of such a possibility in the field. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/can-mrna-based-covid-19-vaccines-cause-prion-disease/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/can-mrna-based-covid-19-vac...

thelazydogsback 6y ago
Thanks for the link

standardUser 6y ago

These people, some who are credentialed, seem to think this is a garbage paper. https://www.reddit.com/r/bioinformatics/comments/kfv7ci/could_mrna_vaccine_cause_prion_disease/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bioinformatics/comments/kfv7ci/coul...

thelazydogsback 6y ago
Thanks - I'm going to take these references back to the person who sent me the original article

ineedasername 6y ago

That's about the barest bit of research with a complete lack of details or stats on their methodology & results. I don't even see details on the specific sequences they claimed to identify. And for what it's worth, I also wasn't able to find the journal itself in any major index either.