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Thanks for those links. Sorry, I meant to say, I was in borderline to being deficient. Because I understand, once you are B12 deficient, you have to take those

by samblr 6y ago

Thanks for those links. Sorry, I meant to say, I was in borderline to being deficient. Because I understand, once you are B12 deficient, you have to take those b12 injections all life. And I learnt it from a blood test and from physcian. However, it really depends on what the family gene-stocks looks like for these vitamins and how well one can absorb those vitamins. For example, the iron in meat is mighty absorbable compared to say when you eat anything in vegan. So I would like to urge Vegans to be highly highly skeptical.

shlant 6y ago
I think instead of "skeptical" you should say "not assume you are automatically getting the nutrients they need". There is no need for "skepticism" - a well planned vegan diet is healthy at all stages of development.
- samblr 6y ago
  I was like this when I was a vegan :)
  - shlant 6y ago
    like what? can you elaborate?
- Daho0n 6y ago
  Maybe but if most vegans are not healthy then eating vegan is at best "healthy if..." which isn't any better than keto or other diets. Eating vegan is great but just like other non-normal diets it requires bloodwork from a doctor regularly. >" Vegans showed a significantly lower mean serum iron level (p < .001) and vitamin B12 (p < .001). Wound diastasis was more frequent in vegans (p = .008). After 6 months, vegan patients had a higher modified SCAR score than omnivores (p < .001), showing the worst scar spread (p < .001), more frequent atrophic scars (p < .001), and worse overall impression (p < .001)." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32769530/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32769530/
  - rewq4321 6y ago
    > Maybe but if most vegans are not healthy It's well documented that vegans, on average, live longer than omnivores (even controlling for exercise level, smoking, etc), and I don't think there's any evidence that vegans are more nutritionally deficient than omnivores - in fact, I think there's evidence for the opposite.[0] Though I agree that we preface diets with "healthy if..." I think the standard western diet is more in need of that prefix. [0] "Mean intakes of fiber, vitamins A, C, and E, thiamin, riboflavin, folate, calcium, magnesium, and iron were higher for all vegetarians than for all nonvegetarians. Although vegetarian intakes of vitamin E, vitamin A, and magnesium exceeded that of nonvegetarians (8.3 ± 0.3 vs 7.0 ± 0.1 mg; 718 ± 28 vs 603 ± 10 μg; 322 ± 5 vs 281 ± 2 mg), both groups had intakes that were less than desired. The Healthy Eating Index score did not differ for all vegetarians compared to all nonvegetarians (50.5 ± 0.88 vs 50.1 ± 0.33, P = 0.6)." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21616194/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21616194/
  - shlant 6y ago
    > most vegans are not healthy What is your criteria and evidence for this? > Eating vegan is great but just like other non-normal diets it requires bloodwork from a doctor regularly what is a "normal" diet?
- sinistro25 6y ago
  I wonder if vegans can drink human milk, might not be the best diet for babies. So not all stages of development I guess.
  - shlant 6y ago
    > I wonder if vegans can drink human milk Not sure what you mean by this. Are you asking if human milk is considered vegan? > So not all stages of development I guess. Almost all of the most reputable health organisations disagree[1] 1. https://vegetarianism.stackexchange.com/a/1079 https://vegetarianism.stackexchange.com/a/1079
    - sinistro25 6y ago
      I just think that making babies vegan and forbidding then of drinking their mother's milk might not be the best approach.
      - shlant 6y ago
        > "forbidding then of drinking their mother's milk" I have no idea what you are referring to here.

by samblr 6y ago

shlant 6y ago

I think instead of "skeptical" you should say "not assume you are automatically getting the nutrients they need". There is no need for "skepticism" - a well planned vegan diet is healthy at all stages of development.

samblr 6y ago
I was like this when I was a vegan :)
- shlant 6y ago
  like what? can you elaborate?
Daho0n 6y ago
Maybe but if most vegans are not healthy then eating vegan is at best "healthy if..." which isn't any better than keto or other diets. Eating vegan is great but just like other non-normal diets it requires bloodwork from a doctor regularly. >" Vegans showed a significantly lower mean serum iron level (p < .001) and vitamin B12 (p < .001). Wound diastasis was more frequent in vegans (p = .008). After 6 months, vegan patients had a higher modified SCAR score than omnivores (p < .001), showing the worst scar spread (p < .001), more frequent atrophic scars (p < .001), and worse overall impression (p < .001)." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32769530/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32769530/
- rewq4321 6y ago
  > Maybe but if most vegans are not healthy It's well documented that vegans, on average, live longer than omnivores (even controlling for exercise level, smoking, etc), and I don't think there's any evidence that vegans are more nutritionally deficient than omnivores - in fact, I think there's evidence for the opposite.[0] Though I agree that we preface diets with "healthy if..." I think the standard western diet is more in need of that prefix. [0] "Mean intakes of fiber, vitamins A, C, and E, thiamin, riboflavin, folate, calcium, magnesium, and iron were higher for all vegetarians than for all nonvegetarians. Although vegetarian intakes of vitamin E, vitamin A, and magnesium exceeded that of nonvegetarians (8.3 ± 0.3 vs 7.0 ± 0.1 mg; 718 ± 28 vs 603 ± 10 μg; 322 ± 5 vs 281 ± 2 mg), both groups had intakes that were less than desired. The Healthy Eating Index score did not differ for all vegetarians compared to all nonvegetarians (50.5 ± 0.88 vs 50.1 ± 0.33, P = 0.6)." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21616194/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21616194/
- shlant 6y ago
  > most vegans are not healthy What is your criteria and evidence for this? > Eating vegan is great but just like other non-normal diets it requires bloodwork from a doctor regularly what is a "normal" diet?
sinistro25 6y ago
I wonder if vegans can drink human milk, might not be the best diet for babies. So not all stages of development I guess.
- shlant 6y ago
  > I wonder if vegans can drink human milk Not sure what you mean by this. Are you asking if human milk is considered vegan? > So not all stages of development I guess. Almost all of the most reputable health organisations disagree[1] 1. https://vegetarianism.stackexchange.com/a/1079 https://vegetarianism.stackexchange.com/a/1079
  - sinistro25 6y ago
    I just think that making babies vegan and forbidding then of drinking their mother's milk might not be the best approach.
    - shlant 6y ago
      > "forbidding then of drinking their mother's milk" I have no idea what you are referring to here.