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It's interesting reading articles about Level 2 and how it can adversely affect driver attention. I was concerned when I started driving a Tesla for the same re

It's interesting reading articles about Level 2 and how it can adversely affect driver attention. I was concerned when I started driving a Tesla for the same reasons. Would I grow complacent? Stop paying attention? The opposite happened. I'm more focused on the road since I can relax and not multi-task. On long road trips, I'm not feeling that ache in the knee or the tension in the shoulders/back from constantly keeping the car aligned in the lane. In fact, I wish Tesla would just introduce a touch interface into the wheel so it knew your hands were on it, but not require constantly resisting the wheel to trigger the sensor. The conclusion I've come to: Level 2 can make good drivers safer and make bad drivers more dangerous. I don't look at my phone when I'm driving. I don't text at red lights. I don't constantly fiddle with the screen. If you do these things, you're a dangerous driver. If Level 2 increases this because you feel a false sense of safety, it'll make you more dangerous. People just need to take driving a 2 ton heap of metal 70mph seriously and we'd all be much safer.

ec109685 6y ago
That was the conclusion in the article too. The editor chose to highlight the less likely (in the real world) situation where the user is new to their L2 equipment.
- darkpicnic 6y ago
  Yep, I was just highlighting the fact that most articles about Level 2 or, in general, < Level 4, are written with a concern for situational awareness. In my experience, it was the opposite: it improved it.
sho_hn 6y ago
> In fact, I wish Tesla would just introduce a touch interface into the wheel so it knew your hands were on it, but not require constantly resisting the wheel to trigger the sensor. We recently rolled out capacitive steering wheels in several Mercedes-Benz models for that reason. It's pleasant.
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Arainach 6y ago
>I don't text at red lights. Why is this a problem? My car is at a complete stop and is not legally allowed to proceed. What's the threat? Doing things while moving (even creeping along in stop/go traffic), sure, I'll agree, but stopped at a light?
- robotresearcher 6y ago
  If your head is down in the car, you lose track of what's going on outside and have to reaquire situational awareness from scratch when you 'wake up'. That takes longer at best, and you may miss something important at worst. Small things like bikes and pedestrians are frequently occluded and you may miss the glimpses of them you needed to predict their future trajectory. We could argue about the absolute importance of this effect, but it's definitely real.
  - bobbylarrybobby 6y ago
    Especially when you don’t notice the light has changed, someone honks at you, and now you have half a second to reacquaint yourself with what’s going on in front of you before stepping on the gas. I see many drivers looking down (presumably at their phone) at a red light who get honked at and almost immediately take off without any safety checks. If, say, a child had run out in front of the car, that child would get run over.
- diggan 6y ago
  The problem is not texting itself, it's not paying attention to your surroundings, while moving or standing still. If you're sitting at a red light fiddling with the stereo, the light turns green but you missed it, so the person behind you honks, chances are you'll start moving forward without actually being fully aware of the scene in front of you. And if there is someone in front of you, you could hit them. So why take the chance? Always pay attention to your surroundings.
- darkpicnic 6y ago
  Man, this is why self-driving cars can’t come soon enough. Everyone else’s replies to this already sort of answer your question, but for me this hints at the bigger issue: people don’t take driving seriously. My counter is: why do you need to be looking at your phone in a car? What text is so important that you can’t pull over and read it? Why give up the situational awareness that is absolutely required to safely operate a machine that can kill people? Life is about trade offs and constant cost/benefit analysis. How is reading/responding to a text message slightly sooner worth the decrease in situational awareness and possible accident involving a 2 ton vehicle? I think we have normalized the dangers of driving a vehicle to the point where we sort of just shrug at the monumental number of vehicular deaths. I’m confident that when my kid is an adult, he’ll look at us with astonishment when we say we used to drive vehicles around, poorly trained, staring at phones, half-drunk, kind of paying attention sometimes, a bit sleepy and it was not only legal but _normal_. It’ll be like us hearing about how our great-grandparents had a 2 year old work dangerous farm equipment alone. You think “How the hell did anyone survive?”
robotresearcher 6y ago
> I wish Tesla would just introduce a touch interface into the wheel so it knew your hands were on it, but not require constantly resisting the wheel to trigger the sensor. Morons will use devices that clamp to the steering wheel to defeat this sensor. Actively turning the wheel is harder to spoof. edit: looks like we went through this process already. https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/19/17479316/tesla-autopilot-buddy-aftermarket-nhtsa https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/19/17479316/tesla-autopilot-...

ec109685 6y ago

That was the conclusion in the article too. The editor chose to highlight the less likely (in the real world) situation where the user is new to their L2 equipment.

darkpicnic 6y ago
Yep, I was just highlighting the fact that most articles about Level 2 or, in general, < Level 4, are written with a concern for situational awareness. In my experience, it was the opposite: it improved it.

sho_hn 6y ago

> In fact, I wish Tesla would just introduce a touch interface into the wheel so it knew your hands were on it, but not require constantly resisting the wheel to trigger the sensor. We recently rolled out capacitive steering wheels in several Mercedes-Benz models for that reason. It's pleasant.

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Arainach 6y ago

>I don't text at red lights. Why is this a problem? My car is at a complete stop and is not legally allowed to proceed. What's the threat? Doing things while moving (even creeping along in stop/go traffic), sure, I'll agree, but stopped at a light?

robotresearcher 6y ago
If your head is down in the car, you lose track of what's going on outside and have to reaquire situational awareness from scratch when you 'wake up'. That takes longer at best, and you may miss something important at worst. Small things like bikes and pedestrians are frequently occluded and you may miss the glimpses of them you needed to predict their future trajectory. We could argue about the absolute importance of this effect, but it's definitely real.
- bobbylarrybobby 6y ago
  Especially when you don’t notice the light has changed, someone honks at you, and now you have half a second to reacquaint yourself with what’s going on in front of you before stepping on the gas. I see many drivers looking down (presumably at their phone) at a red light who get honked at and almost immediately take off without any safety checks. If, say, a child had run out in front of the car, that child would get run over.
diggan 6y ago
The problem is not texting itself, it's not paying attention to your surroundings, while moving or standing still. If you're sitting at a red light fiddling with the stereo, the light turns green but you missed it, so the person behind you honks, chances are you'll start moving forward without actually being fully aware of the scene in front of you. And if there is someone in front of you, you could hit them. So why take the chance? Always pay attention to your surroundings.
darkpicnic 6y ago
Man, this is why self-driving cars can’t come soon enough. Everyone else’s replies to this already sort of answer your question, but for me this hints at the bigger issue: people don’t take driving seriously. My counter is: why do you need to be looking at your phone in a car? What text is so important that you can’t pull over and read it? Why give up the situational awareness that is absolutely required to safely operate a machine that can kill people? Life is about trade offs and constant cost/benefit analysis. How is reading/responding to a text message slightly sooner worth the decrease in situational awareness and possible accident involving a 2 ton vehicle? I think we have normalized the dangers of driving a vehicle to the point where we sort of just shrug at the monumental number of vehicular deaths. I’m confident that when my kid is an adult, he’ll look at us with astonishment when we say we used to drive vehicles around, poorly trained, staring at phones, half-drunk, kind of paying attention sometimes, a bit sleepy and it was not only legal but _normal_. It’ll be like us hearing about how our great-grandparents had a 2 year old work dangerous farm equipment alone. You think “How the hell did anyone survive?”

robotresearcher 6y ago

> I wish Tesla would just introduce a touch interface into the wheel so it knew your hands were on it, but not require constantly resisting the wheel to trigger the sensor. Morons will use devices that clamp to the steering wheel to defeat this sensor. Actively turning the wheel is harder to spoof. edit: looks like we went through this process already. https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/19/17479316/tesla-autopilot-buddy-aftermarket-nhtsa https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/19/17479316/tesla-autopilot-...