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No. People (extraordinarily healthy people) are suffering pulmonary embolisms (and thus hospitalized) weeks after they have been cleared from the virus. There i

by dev1n 6y ago

No. People (extraordinarily healthy people) are suffering pulmonary embolisms (and thus hospitalized) weeks after they have been cleared from the virus. There is a very, very, very long tail to this disease outside of the initial 2 - 4 weeks of being sick.

aantix 6y ago
>People (extraordinarily healthy people) are suffering pulmonary embolism What are the numbers?
- rcpt 6y ago
  I've posted elsewhere but Here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.16.21249950v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.16.21249950v...
  - aantix 6y ago
    Where in that study does it show the the numbers for the pre-COVID healthy cohort?
    - rcpt 6y ago
      I believe what you're asking about is covered in table 1 and figure 2. They're reporting hazard ratios after propensity score matching with people who had the flu during the same time period.
- dev1n 6y ago
  Do you only care about people if an event is statistically significant?
  - vorpalhex 6y ago
    For public health choices? Yes! 1 in a million events should not be optimized for.
    - dev1n 6y ago
      This is not a 1 in a million event. There are studies like my comment above that back this statement whole heartedly. This is a virus with proven neuroinvasive potential that affects large swaths of otherwise incredibly healthy people. You can't compare these supposed 1 in a million events to something like doing perf testing on a 64 node raspberry pi kubernetes cluster.
standardUser 6y ago
Small percentages of people suffer complications from many different types of illnesses. At a certain point, human beings simply have to live with a small chance of a bad outcome from ailments that are normally mild.
- dev1n 6y ago
  This isn't some small percentage of people this is 3 - 8% [1] of people hospitalized! Despite not finding data for people not hospitalized many report suffering from and being hospitalized for failures of the pulmonary, endocrine, and digestive system. Sometimes people have strokes from sneezing. See I can make generalizing statements about bullshit too. [1]: https://annalsofintensivecare.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s13613-020-00741-0 https://annalsofintensivecare.springeropen.com/articles/10.1...
  - umvi 6y ago
    > This isn't some small percentage of people this is 3 - 8% [1] of people hospitalized And what percentage of people that get covid are hospitalized? Let's estimate and say 3% of people that get covid end up hospitalized. 3-8% of 3% is, frankly, a small percentage of people. You can make any percentage seem large and scary with the right framing (https://xkcd.com/1252/ https://xkcd.com/1252/)
    - dev1n 6y ago
      And the same can’t be true for making percentages seem small and insignificant? What exactly are you trying to prove?
  - standardUser 6y ago
    I was talking about the near future when most people are vaccinated, as we have ample proof that hospitalizations are extremely rare for vaccinated individuals.
- DanBC 6y ago
  1 in 10 patients die within months of leaving hospital. https://twitter.com/ShaunLintern/status/1362863221305192450?s=20 https://twitter.com/ShaunLintern/status/1362863221305192450?... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-hospitals-death-long-covid-b1804704.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-hospit... > More than one in 10 Covid patients died within five months of being discharged from hospital, while almost a third of those who survived the virus had to be readmitted, new research has warned. > Papers released by the governments Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) also revealed half of patients in hospital with the virus suffered complications, with one in four struggling when they got back home. > Younger patients under the age of 50 were more likely to suffer complications. ICNARC gives us some age data: https://www.icnarc.org/Reporting https://www.icnarc.org/Reporting

by dev1n 6y ago

aantix 6y ago

>People (extraordinarily healthy people) are suffering pulmonary embolism What are the numbers?

rcpt 6y ago
I've posted elsewhere but Here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.16.21249950v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.16.21249950v...
- aantix 6y ago
  Where in that study does it show the the numbers for the pre-COVID healthy cohort?
  - rcpt 6y ago
    I believe what you're asking about is covered in table 1 and figure 2. They're reporting hazard ratios after propensity score matching with people who had the flu during the same time period.
dev1n 6y ago
Do you only care about people if an event is statistically significant?
- vorpalhex 6y ago
  For public health choices? Yes! 1 in a million events should not be optimized for.
  - dev1n 6y ago
    This is not a 1 in a million event. There are studies like my comment above that back this statement whole heartedly. This is a virus with proven neuroinvasive potential that affects large swaths of otherwise incredibly healthy people. You can't compare these supposed 1 in a million events to something like doing perf testing on a 64 node raspberry pi kubernetes cluster.

standardUser 6y ago

Small percentages of people suffer complications from many different types of illnesses. At a certain point, human beings simply have to live with a small chance of a bad outcome from ailments that are normally mild.

dev1n 6y ago
This isn't some small percentage of people this is 3 - 8% [1] of people hospitalized! Despite not finding data for people not hospitalized many report suffering from and being hospitalized for failures of the pulmonary, endocrine, and digestive system. Sometimes people have strokes from sneezing. See I can make generalizing statements about bullshit too. [1]: https://annalsofintensivecare.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s13613-020-00741-0 https://annalsofintensivecare.springeropen.com/articles/10.1...
- umvi 6y ago
  > This isn't some small percentage of people this is 3 - 8% [1] of people hospitalized And what percentage of people that get covid are hospitalized? Let's estimate and say 3% of people that get covid end up hospitalized. 3-8% of 3% is, frankly, a small percentage of people. You can make any percentage seem large and scary with the right framing (https://xkcd.com/1252/ https://xkcd.com/1252/)
  - dev1n 6y ago
    And the same can’t be true for making percentages seem small and insignificant? What exactly are you trying to prove?
- standardUser 6y ago
  I was talking about the near future when most people are vaccinated, as we have ample proof that hospitalizations are extremely rare for vaccinated individuals.
DanBC 6y ago
1 in 10 patients die within months of leaving hospital. https://twitter.com/ShaunLintern/status/1362863221305192450?s=20 https://twitter.com/ShaunLintern/status/1362863221305192450?... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-hospitals-death-long-covid-b1804704.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-hospit... > More than one in 10 Covid patients died within five months of being discharged from hospital, while almost a third of those who survived the virus had to be readmitted, new research has warned. > Papers released by the governments Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) also revealed half of patients in hospital with the virus suffered complications, with one in four struggling when they got back home. > Younger patients under the age of 50 were more likely to suffer complications. ICNARC gives us some age data: https://www.icnarc.org/Reporting https://www.icnarc.org/Reporting