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Could we have done this before we destroyed a significant percentage of small businesses with lockdowns? And what's the mortality rate for otherwise healthy pe

Could we have done this before we destroyed a significant percentage of small businesses with lockdowns? And what's the mortality rate for otherwise healthy people? Greater than 99.9%?

throwaway888abc 6y ago
Upvoted and adding relative story from a week ago It's middle of winter in Europe, old jacket got broken and you can't buy winter jacket because the non-essential shop are closed....
hfsp 6y ago
Nothing like a good crisis for the political-bureaucratic class to usurp power without debate on drawbacks and second order effects. Note government bureaucrats and politicians continued to collect a steady paycheck. Small businesses, RIP.
- throwawayyy1986 6y ago
  It's funny how the anti-Amazon liberals have all been in full force demanding policy that ensures dominance of the huge corporations and obliterates all the mom-and-pop businesses.
throwawaysea 6y ago
The infection fatality rate overall in the US is around 0.65%, meaning a 99.35% survival rate. For ages below 50, the survival rate is ~99.99% (https://www.nbc26.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-estimates-covid-19-fatality-rate-including-asymptomatic-cases https://www.nbc26.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-estimates-covid-1...). And it seems that controllable personal lifestyle choices like maintaining a balanced diet and getting outside may have played a role as well since Vitamin D deficiency increases chance for fatality from COVID-19 by 3.7x (https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/942497 https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/942497). I do think there is an injustice in draconian coronavirus measures because this is a low risk event ultimately. So by making everyone change their entire lives, we are making it so everyone gives something up so that those with a higher (but still low) risk can continue to go outside and partake in business, leisure, etcetera to a limited extent. This was the alternative to instead having just the risk averse or vulnerable quarantine themselves if they feel the odds are not agreeable (they could just self isolate and face nearly no risk). Put another way, lockdown measures and other mandates or restrictions trade the freedoms, leisures, financials, mental health, and stability of the young, healthy, and personally responsible to reduce the risk exposure of other people to an amount where the other people can live a slightly more normal life than otherwise. When I see children losing a year of socialization and education so that a small proportion of the very elderly can live slightly longer, I feel like we are making a disastrous tradeoff.
- throwawayyy1986 6y ago
  Yea you've got the intelligent and right response imo. Politics, anxiety and tribalism obscured the obvious picture you've laid out.

Could we have done this before we destroyed a significant percentage of small businesses with lockdowns? And what's the mortality rate for otherwise healthy people? Greater than 99.9%?

throwaway888abc 6y ago

Upvoted and adding relative story from a week ago It's middle of winter in Europe, old jacket got broken and you can't buy winter jacket because the non-essential shop are closed....

hfsp 6y ago

Nothing like a good crisis for the political-bureaucratic class to usurp power without debate on drawbacks and second order effects. Note government bureaucrats and politicians continued to collect a steady paycheck. Small businesses, RIP.

throwawayyy1986 6y ago
It's funny how the anti-Amazon liberals have all been in full force demanding policy that ensures dominance of the huge corporations and obliterates all the mom-and-pop businesses.

throwawaysea 6y ago

The infection fatality rate overall in the US is around 0.65%, meaning a 99.35% survival rate. For ages below 50, the survival rate is ~99.99% (https://www.nbc26.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-estimates-covid-19-fatality-rate-including-asymptomatic-cases https://www.nbc26.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-estimates-covid-1...). And it seems that controllable personal lifestyle choices like maintaining a balanced diet and getting outside may have played a role as well since Vitamin D deficiency increases chance for fatality from COVID-19 by 3.7x (https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/942497 https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/942497). I do think there is an injustice in draconian coronavirus measures because this is a low risk event ultimately. So by making everyone change their entire lives, we are making it so everyone gives something up so that those with a higher (but still low) risk can continue to go outside and partake in business, leisure, etcetera to a limited extent. This was the alternative to instead having just the risk averse or vulnerable quarantine themselves if they feel the odds are not agreeable (they could just self isolate and face nearly no risk). Put another way, lockdown measures and other mandates or restrictions trade the freedoms, leisures, financials, mental health, and stability of the young, healthy, and personally responsible to reduce the risk exposure of other people to an amount where the other people can live a slightly more normal life than otherwise. When I see children losing a year of socialization and education so that a small proportion of the very elderly can live slightly longer, I feel like we are making a disastrous tradeoff.

throwawayyy1986 6y ago
Yea you've got the intelligent and right response imo. Politics, anxiety and tribalism obscured the obvious picture you've laid out.