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as a software dev? germany, norway, switzerland, denmark, ireland

fortnum 6y ago
Switzerland and Norway in the EU? Germany and Ireland are the same as the UK https://www.payscale.com/research/DE/Job=Senior_Software_Engineer/Salary https://www.payscale.com/research/DE/Job=Senior_Software_Eng... https://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Job=Senior_Software_Engineer/Salary https://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Job=Senior_Software_Eng... Denmark appears to be slightly higher but Denmark is also more expensive than the UK. Overall far from the alleged big difference.
- iExploder 6y ago
  aha EU pass holder here so in practice for job seeking I kind of include both Switzerland and Norway, but technically it is not EU one thing is what is on payscale another is what you see on the payslip, 60k+ in DE is not hard to get for senior dev
  - fortnum 6y ago
    Still not EU and both examples are high-expense countries where wages naturally are higher too, but that does not solve the problem. And as for Germany, it shouldn't be 60+, but rather 80+ to match the expectation of being significantly more. The suggestion of moving simply is flawed.
    - iExploder 6y ago
      you can get 80+ in Germany in big cities. what problem are you solving? no, you cant get rich by coding as an employee, anywhere. you can try to sweat your balls as a contractor + do tax magic and have a 'decent' living, or start a company and make a product - very risky. as job coders are 21st century factory workers, its not on lawyer/doctor/accountant level.
      - fortnum 6y ago
        We are talking about average here and 80+ is not average. The whole point was the the suggestion of moving would be a pointless exercise. > as job coders are 21st century factory workers, its not on lawyer/doctor/accountant level. Fair enough, but this proves the author's point. Development used to be on such a level and has steadily declined.
        iExploder 6y ago
        > Fair enough, but this proves the author's point. Development used to be on such a level and has steadily declined. I agree, I know a few "old timers" and they seem to have it better in the early days. I guess this is the case with all human activity, over time it becomes optimized as know-how spreads to more people. The best professions long term are those where gate keeping is employed (license, nepotism, high creativity, people able to perform at top 1%), short term profession gets a boost from being "the new thing", which programing is not anymore.

Switzerland and Norway in the EU? Germany and Ireland are the same as the UK https://www.payscale.com/research/DE/Job=Senior_Software_Engineer/Salary https://www.payscale.com/research/DE/Job=Senior_Software_Eng... https://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Job=Senior_Software_Engineer/Salary https://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Job=Senior_Software_Eng... Denmark appears to be slightly higher but Denmark is also more expensive than the UK. Overall far from the alleged big difference.

iExploder 6y ago
aha EU pass holder here so in practice for job seeking I kind of include both Switzerland and Norway, but technically it is not EU one thing is what is on payscale another is what you see on the payslip, 60k+ in DE is not hard to get for senior dev
- fortnum 6y ago
  Still not EU and both examples are high-expense countries where wages naturally are higher too, but that does not solve the problem. And as for Germany, it shouldn't be 60+, but rather 80+ to match the expectation of being significantly more. The suggestion of moving simply is flawed.
  - iExploder 6y ago
    you can get 80+ in Germany in big cities. what problem are you solving? no, you cant get rich by coding as an employee, anywhere. you can try to sweat your balls as a contractor + do tax magic and have a 'decent' living, or start a company and make a product - very risky. as job coders are 21st century factory workers, its not on lawyer/doctor/accountant level.
    - fortnum 6y ago
      We are talking about average here and 80+ is not average. The whole point was the the suggestion of moving would be a pointless exercise. > as job coders are 21st century factory workers, its not on lawyer/doctor/accountant level. Fair enough, but this proves the author's point. Development used to be on such a level and has steadily declined.
      - iExploder 6y ago
        > Fair enough, but this proves the author's point. Development used to be on such a level and has steadily declined. I agree, I know a few "old timers" and they seem to have it better in the early days. I guess this is the case with all human activity, over time it becomes optimized as know-how spreads to more people. The best professions long term are those where gate keeping is employed (license, nepotism, high creativity, people able to perform at top 1%), short term profession gets a boost from being "the new thing", which programing is not anymore.