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Mods have very easy job, they have to decidee if picture has an underboob, or something is too controversial. Pay is comparable to nurse in hospital. IT IS l

Mods have very easy job, they have to decidee if picture has an underboob, or something is too controversial. Pay is comparable to nurse in hospital. IT IS low skill job, made by low qualified fresh graduates, and AI already handles big part of it.

newsclues 6y ago
Crime scene cleaning pays more than normal janitor jobs, not because the work is harder but because there is emotional labour beyond the simple job. You need to consider the effects of work on employees bodies and minds. There is skill to be treated like a serf for a living and smiling to your masters who claim your labour is low skilled and not deserving of a fair (living) wage.
- throw2838 6y ago
  I go to pub with them (well, used to, thosr are now closed). Biggest problem they have are workload metrics (number of qualifications per hour). Real nurse has to deal with real blood and real gore. If you believe those mods should be paid more, you are out of your mind. Anyway, this type of jobs will be soon replaced by AI classifiers. Nobody will suffer anymore.
  - arminiusreturns 6y ago
    Have you ever thought that maybe the particular subcontracting group you seem to know so well doesnt represent the entirety of FB mods as a job? You seem strangely adamant that this is no big deal, while ignoring the many reports we've heard over the years of the kind of very bad stuff mods have had to deal with, regardless of your anecdotal experience. Also, on AI classifiers, I think there are far too many nuanced situations to completely replace mods, and your comment about this is very hand-wavy, and even if you are right, we still need to deal with the problems we have now, not defer them by saying there will be a solution in the future.
    - throw2838 6y ago
      I am just saying what I heard. Maybe it is AI, maybe it is handled in different office. This company is bussiness oriented, does tech support in multiple languages in large openspace fish bowl. It would be weird to restore passwords on one table, and watch violence on next table. But I am sure many of them would take this work for a bit of extra money. There are people from Middle East, Ukraine, Romania... We had millions refugees passing through Athens just a few years ago. Reality is simply very different here.
- dmatech 6y ago
  More specifically, there are fewer people willing or able to do crime scene cleaning than normal janitorial work. That drives the price up. Simple supply and demand explain it quite well.
arp242 6y ago
People post things like beheadings, all sorts of sexual assault (including sexual assault on children), and so forth. It's not just underboobs and dickpics. There have been many stories about this, one example: https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/25/18229714/cognizant-facebook-content-moderator-interviews-trauma-working-conditions-arizona https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/25/18229714/cognizant-facebo...
- douglasisshiny 6y ago
  Yes, like you said, there is brutal violence and child sexual assault material (CSAM) that moderators have to view. I worked at a non-profit to which Facebook, et. al are required to submit CSAM once detected on their platform. It's been a few years, but the quantity of content submitted from Facebook was truly disturbing.
- throw2838 6y ago
  People I know do not deal with this type of stuff. Maybe it is AI progress, maybe it is handled somewhere else. But for $35k/year you would find here many people with great english and university education. And life skills to handle this, for example former police officer.
  - intended 6y ago
    AI does not and cannot deal with these situations. Secondly Facebook has 11 categories of online harm, 1 of which is nudity. > https://transparency.facebook.com/community-standards-enforcement https://transparency.facebook.com/community-standards-enforc... The list is: Adult Nudity and Sexual Activity Bullying and Harassment Child Nudity and Sexual Exploitation of Children Dangerous Organizations: Terrorism Dangerous Organizations: Organized Hate Fake Accounts Hate Speech Regulated Goods: Drugs Regulated Goods: Firearms Spam Suicide and Self-Injury Violent and Graphic Content Adult nudity is 0.05%-0.06% of all content views. That is the same rate for violent and graphic content. This means people somewhere, are going through millions of pictures of graphic violence. You could simply be dealing with the lucky team which just has to watch schlongs.

newsclues 6y ago

Crime scene cleaning pays more than normal janitor jobs, not because the work is harder but because there is emotional labour beyond the simple job. You need to consider the effects of work on employees bodies and minds. There is skill to be treated like a serf for a living and smiling to your masters who claim your labour is low skilled and not deserving of a fair (living) wage.

throw2838 6y ago
I go to pub with them (well, used to, thosr are now closed). Biggest problem they have are workload metrics (number of qualifications per hour). Real nurse has to deal with real blood and real gore. If you believe those mods should be paid more, you are out of your mind. Anyway, this type of jobs will be soon replaced by AI classifiers. Nobody will suffer anymore.
- arminiusreturns 6y ago
  Have you ever thought that maybe the particular subcontracting group you seem to know so well doesnt represent the entirety of FB mods as a job? You seem strangely adamant that this is no big deal, while ignoring the many reports we've heard over the years of the kind of very bad stuff mods have had to deal with, regardless of your anecdotal experience. Also, on AI classifiers, I think there are far too many nuanced situations to completely replace mods, and your comment about this is very hand-wavy, and even if you are right, we still need to deal with the problems we have now, not defer them by saying there will be a solution in the future.
  - throw2838 6y ago
    I am just saying what I heard. Maybe it is AI, maybe it is handled in different office. This company is bussiness oriented, does tech support in multiple languages in large openspace fish bowl. It would be weird to restore passwords on one table, and watch violence on next table. But I am sure many of them would take this work for a bit of extra money. There are people from Middle East, Ukraine, Romania... We had millions refugees passing through Athens just a few years ago. Reality is simply very different here.
dmatech 6y ago
More specifically, there are fewer people willing or able to do crime scene cleaning than normal janitorial work. That drives the price up. Simple supply and demand explain it quite well.

arp242 6y ago

People post things like beheadings, all sorts of sexual assault (including sexual assault on children), and so forth. It's not just underboobs and dickpics. There have been many stories about this, one example: https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/25/18229714/cognizant-facebook-content-moderator-interviews-trauma-working-conditions-arizona https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/25/18229714/cognizant-facebo...

douglasisshiny 6y ago
Yes, like you said, there is brutal violence and child sexual assault material (CSAM) that moderators have to view. I worked at a non-profit to which Facebook, et. al are required to submit CSAM once detected on their platform. It's been a few years, but the quantity of content submitted from Facebook was truly disturbing.
throw2838 6y ago
People I know do not deal with this type of stuff. Maybe it is AI progress, maybe it is handled somewhere else. But for $35k/year you would find here many people with great english and university education. And life skills to handle this, for example former police officer.
- intended 6y ago
  AI does not and cannot deal with these situations. Secondly Facebook has 11 categories of online harm, 1 of which is nudity. > https://transparency.facebook.com/community-standards-enforcement https://transparency.facebook.com/community-standards-enforc... The list is: Adult Nudity and Sexual Activity Bullying and Harassment Child Nudity and Sexual Exploitation of Children Dangerous Organizations: Terrorism Dangerous Organizations: Organized Hate Fake Accounts Hate Speech Regulated Goods: Drugs Regulated Goods: Firearms Spam Suicide and Self-Injury Violent and Graphic Content Adult nudity is 0.05%-0.06% of all content views. That is the same rate for violent and graphic content. This means people somewhere, are going through millions of pictures of graphic violence. You could simply be dealing with the lucky team which just has to watch schlongs.