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The quotes might signal opposition, but they also might just signal fuzziness. E.g. This is a word that you're probably familiar with used in a specific jargony

The quotes might signal opposition, but they also might just signal fuzziness. E.g. This is a word that you're probably familiar with used in a specific jargony way that you cannot deduce merely from the standard definition.

AlchemistCamp 6y ago
Much like the words humanist or intellectual? Would you agree that each of those words can be used in "a specific jargony way" and that putting quotation marks around either very likely signals opposition?
- drdeca 6y ago
  I'm not familiar with a distinction between a more common usage and a more jargony usage of those two words. Is there one? Actually, I don't think I really understand any usage of the word "humanist" very well.
  - AlchemistCamp 6y ago
    With no context, humanism sounds like it's just something pertaining to humans. Also, at least to my perception, the word has a built-in positive valence. But, it has a much more specific meaning: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism There's a similar dynamic with rationalism: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalism
    - drdeca 6y ago
      ah, but here "rationalist" isn't being used in that particular way. One of the reasons it is sometimes put in quotes, I think, is to distinguish it from the meaning that you've linked. A rationalist in that sense is someone who holds the philosophical positions described in that article. A rationalist-in-this-other-sense is someone who, uh, generally has beliefs in some other collection of philosophical positions, and is involved in a certain community/social-circle . It is an unfortunate overloading of a term. Some have given a definition of rationalist (or rationalist-adjacent) as : Eliezer Yudkowsky is a rationalist, and anyone who spends a lot of time arguing with rationalists is a rationalist. This is quite a different thing that the sense of the word described in the Wikipedia article. Personally, I'm rather fond of the group, but there are still cases where I find myself using quote marks when describing it.

AlchemistCamp 6y ago

Much like the words humanist or intellectual? Would you agree that each of those words can be used in "a specific jargony way" and that putting quotation marks around either very likely signals opposition?

drdeca 6y ago
I'm not familiar with a distinction between a more common usage and a more jargony usage of those two words. Is there one? Actually, I don't think I really understand any usage of the word "humanist" very well.
- AlchemistCamp 6y ago
  With no context, humanism sounds like it's just something pertaining to humans. Also, at least to my perception, the word has a built-in positive valence. But, it has a much more specific meaning: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism There's a similar dynamic with rationalism: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalism
  - drdeca 6y ago
    ah, but here "rationalist" isn't being used in that particular way. One of the reasons it is sometimes put in quotes, I think, is to distinguish it from the meaning that you've linked. A rationalist in that sense is someone who holds the philosophical positions described in that article. A rationalist-in-this-other-sense is someone who, uh, generally has beliefs in some other collection of philosophical positions, and is involved in a certain community/social-circle . It is an unfortunate overloading of a term. Some have given a definition of rationalist (or rationalist-adjacent) as : Eliezer Yudkowsky is a rationalist, and anyone who spends a lot of time arguing with rationalists is a rationalist. This is quite a different thing that the sense of the word described in the Wikipedia article. Personally, I'm rather fond of the group, but there are still cases where I find myself using quote marks when describing it.