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I'm curious where the data shows that Bitcoin is used "mainly" for illicit transactions. [1] [1]: https://markets.chainalysis.com/?range=30&asset=BTC#risk-illi

by sna1l 6y ago

I'm curious where the data shows that Bitcoin is used "mainly" for illicit transactions. [1] [1]: https://markets.chainalysis.com/?range=30&asset=BTC#risk-illicit-flows https://markets.chainalysis.com/?range=30&asset=BTC#risk-ill...

na85 6y ago
Does the site you linked purport to have total awareness of all illicit wallets on the blockchain?
- wyldfire 6y ago
  Chainalysis does have a superior brand recognition for this kind of analysis work, and have been used while conducting criminal investigations, e.g. But, no, they don't. They qualify it here as "Known illicit BTC".
chaostheory 6y ago
Agree. There are two 800lb gorillas in the room though 1. Tether manipulation of Bitcoin https://coinlib.io/coin/BTC/Bitcoin https://coinlib.io/coin/BTC/Bitcoin refer to the Money flow diagram. There are plenty of other HN stories on the Tether situation 2. How long will the US dollar remain as the world's reserve currency? For context, https://www.principles.com/the-changing-world-order/ https://www.principles.com/the-changing-world-order/ This is probably a big reason for this announcement.
prichino 6y ago
Even then this is a strawman, the main use for BTC is not transactions, it is the store of value in front of inflation. Suppose 90% of users saved in BTC and only cashed out once a year, and 10% are frequently using drug dealers (pun intended) that would be a low number of legitimate transactions but BTC itself would be legitimately helping a lot of people.
- bitxbitxbitcoin 6y ago
  Agreed. This is still a strawman even if the majority of on chain transactions were one hop associated to verified addresses from darknet markets. Another punny point: drug dealers that are following the Ten Crack Commandments[0] shouldn't be frequent users. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Crack_Commandments#:~:text=%22Ten%20Crack%20Commandments%22%20is%20a,one%20song%20about%20selling%20drugs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Crack_Commandments#:~:text....
- noxer 6y ago
  The main use is speculation not a store of value. If BTC would counter inflation and keep its value (equal purchase power) even with high volatility no one would care about it. It would still be worth single digit dollar or more likely it would have died a few years after it went online. People buy BTC because they want to sell for significant more to a later time.

by sna1l 6y ago

na85 6y ago

Does the site you linked purport to have total awareness of all illicit wallets on the blockchain?

wyldfire 6y ago
Chainalysis does have a superior brand recognition for this kind of analysis work, and have been used while conducting criminal investigations, e.g. But, no, they don't. They qualify it here as "Known illicit BTC".

chaostheory 6y ago

Agree. There are two 800lb gorillas in the room though 1. Tether manipulation of Bitcoin https://coinlib.io/coin/BTC/Bitcoin https://coinlib.io/coin/BTC/Bitcoin refer to the Money flow diagram. There are plenty of other HN stories on the Tether situation 2. How long will the US dollar remain as the world's reserve currency? For context, https://www.principles.com/the-changing-world-order/ https://www.principles.com/the-changing-world-order/ This is probably a big reason for this announcement.

prichino 6y ago

Even then this is a strawman, the main use for BTC is not transactions, it is the store of value in front of inflation. Suppose 90% of users saved in BTC and only cashed out once a year, and 10% are frequently using drug dealers (pun intended) that would be a low number of legitimate transactions but BTC itself would be legitimately helping a lot of people.

bitxbitxbitcoin 6y ago
Agreed. This is still a strawman even if the majority of on chain transactions were one hop associated to verified addresses from darknet markets. Another punny point: drug dealers that are following the Ten Crack Commandments[0] shouldn't be frequent users. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Crack_Commandments#:~:text=%22Ten%20Crack%20Commandments%22%20is%20a,one%20song%20about%20selling%20drugs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Crack_Commandments#:~:text....
noxer 6y ago
The main use is speculation not a store of value. If BTC would counter inflation and keep its value (equal purchase power) even with high volatility no one would care about it. It would still be worth single digit dollar or more likely it would have died a few years after it went online. People buy BTC because they want to sell for significant more to a later time.