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> calls them assholes that don’t care about what happens outside of western society That's hardly her main point: > For Chinese who are used to a specific IME
by cutitout 6y ago
> calls them assholes that don’t care about what happens outside of western society
That's hardly her main point:
> For Chinese who are used to a specific IME- like Sogou, trying to type on something else is a tiny bit like a QWERTY user suddenly faced with Dvorak- we can make it work, but it's slow enough day to day that 50/50 they just install Sogou because what's the big deal right?
> The Signal "fix" is "Incognito Mode" aka for the app to say "Pretty please don't read everything I type" to the virtual keyboard and count on Google/random app makers to listen to the flag, and not be under court order to do otherwise.
> Needless to say, Sogou/Baidu dos not respect the IME_FLAG_NO_PERSONALIZED_LEARNING flag. So basically all hardware here is self-compromised 5 minutes out of the box.
> so unless journalists tell them otherwise, which they have not been doing- users will install Sogou.
This is important.
- durkie 6y agoI understand Naomi's point here, but I'm unclear how it relates to Signal. Isn't this an issue with 3rd party keyboards in any app?
- cutitout 6y agoIf it's an issue in any app that can lead to privacy leaks, it's a showstopper issue for something like Signal. It being an issue with any app is even more reason to tell people about it, not less.
- matsemann 6y agoBut if a person has something important to say, calling people that don't know about the issue assholes is not a great way to go about it. I know there is a western, and especially US/English, bias in tech. But it's not like everyone tries to annoy others, it's more an issue of ignorance. Btw I agree that when Signal says your messages are secure, it should probably do something to warn about ways things still may leak.
- cutitout 6y ago> But if a person has something important to say, calling people that don't know about the issue assholes is not a great way to go about it. I don't mind it at all. If someone uses "being called asshole" as a reason to not even inform anyone, they would have found another excuse. Some people simply register it as strong language and otherwise focus on the content. At any rate, it's very easy to judge what someone says in frustration when you yourself don't even suffer from the situation and/or don't care about those who do. > But it's not like everyone tries to annoy other, it's more an issue of ignorance. So she shed light on that, and instead of talking about the important bit, people think it's super important to teach a random person to not be rude, ever? That's what we're focusing on?
- matsemann 6y ago> That's what we're focusing on? That's my point. By presenting the issue the way she did, people moved the conversation away from the issue and instead ended up in a meta-discussion about the discourse. If her points were laid out in a nicer manner, she would be closer to actually achieving her goal.
- TaylorAlexander 6y agoShe did that over one year ago and was ignored. Policing her tone instead of addressing the issue that has people getting kidnapped in China is really missing the point.
- cutitout 6y ago> By presenting the issue the way she did, people moved the conversation away from the issue By HER doing A, OTHERS did B? That doesn't even parse as English, and betrays doublethink.
- chickenpotpie 6y agoOpen source devs are horribly mistreated for a service they provide for free/very low income. I will gladly focus the conversation on someone being rude to someone that has dedicated their life to making the world a better place. Signal is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the betterment of mankind. They want to a good job and they’re not assholes.
- zionic 6y agotweet thread is claiming app store apps are downloaded unencrypted and that they can be modified in flight. Any proof of this?