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Just tried to download and install handshake. Requires docker. Just tried to download and install docker on windows 7, failed install, requires more stuff. Opi

Just tried to download and install handshake. Requires docker. Just tried to download and install docker on windows 7, failed install, requires more stuff. Opinion: This will never become a realization until these people realize the average Joe is not going to jump through all these hoops just to get an alternative browser up and running. It should be simple and seamless. Less than 1% will bother with all this.

MattGaiser 6y ago
Docker does not work on non-professional versions of Windows. Was very annoying as a student. EDIT: Seems that progress has lead to this no longer being true.
- oneweekwonder 6y ago
  you can run docker using WSL/WSL2 but you will need to enable hyper-v on win10.
  - MattGaiser 6y ago
    Good to know. Glad that was fixed. Thank you.
searchableguy 6y ago
You can use nextdns.io which has an option to resolve handshake domains. Other options also provided in the docs: https://learn.namebase.io/starting-from-zero/how-to-access-handshake-sites https://learn.namebase.io/starting-from-zero/how-to-access-h...
C4stor 6y ago
Does the average Joe really reads articles from sci-hub ? The target public of sci-hub should be able to understand how to install a couple programs imo. Windows 7 has reached EOL a year ago (minus two days), so yeah, maybe it's not very well supported...
- BelenusMordred 6y ago
  > Does the average Joe really reads articles from sci-hub ? What a ridiculous statement, do you truly want to live in a world where they can't? Most authors on sci-hub themselves would struggle with containers. If a mechanic mocked a room full of people for not being able to change their own oil what would you think of them? Please reconsider such an ideological stance.
  - C4stor 6y ago
    Well, no, but they actually can, so it's not the question. I doubt that most people able to read and publish complex scientitic papers would "struggle" to follow what is overall a one page sequence of instructions to enter in a computer. You don't need to understand containers to run docker. I don't really get the analogy with the mechanic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    - BelenusMordred 6y ago
      > You don't need to understand containers to run docker. Maybe we live in different worlds but the average (non-cs)professor would very much struggle with this stuff. I've seen some barely being able to use basic programs, they are skilled in very different domains and no one will bat an eyelid if they slowly click on the mouse to copy/paste every day of the week. Rocking the command line is certainly not in their job description for the most part. Even comp-sci academics do work that is horrendously bad and not even close to what would pass in the workplace for an entry level graduate. > the analogy with the mechanic Essentially an adult saying to a group of children "this is so simple for me, what are you a dumbass?"
- eythian 6y ago
  Define "average Joe"? I haven't been in academia since I finished university years ago, but I'll sometimes want to do some digging around on some topic and get a lot of mileage out of sci-hub then.
carlsborg 6y ago
Get a VirtualBox VM running Linux, and take it from there.
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rasengan 6y ago
It doesn’t require docker! You can install directly on windows, Mac and Linux [1]. This is how I have it running (for the past 8 months)! https://github.com/handshake-org/hsd https://github.com/handshake-org/hsd
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  I don't see any Windows installation instructions there. Is it really that hard to distribute an application? A statically linked executable, or a portable directory with an executable in it. Thousands of projects do it every day. Why do so many developers insist on making a simple thing like actually running their software so complicated?
  - throwaway889900 6y ago
    The installation instructions say to use npm, which is pretty simple? Everything's javascript anyways.
Jonnax 6y ago
So I've not had a look at this software before. I had a look at their website: https://hsd-dev.org/guides/win-install.html https://hsd-dev.org/guides/win-install.html It doesn't say that you require docker. Docker is one of the options. You could either build it from source using NodeJS or use node JS's package manager NPM to install it. Docker is a containerisation platform that requires virtualisation support: https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/install/ https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/install/ The system requirements are as follows: * Windows 10 64-bit * Hyper-V and Containers Windows features enabled So of course this method is not going to run on Windows 7 and it clearly has stated so. Plus it's not a web browser. It's a blockchain DNS.

MattGaiser 6y ago

Docker does not work on non-professional versions of Windows. Was very annoying as a student. EDIT: Seems that progress has lead to this no longer being true.

oneweekwonder 6y ago
you can run docker using WSL/WSL2 but you will need to enable hyper-v on win10.
- MattGaiser 6y ago
  Good to know. Glad that was fixed. Thank you.

searchableguy 6y ago

You can use nextdns.io which has an option to resolve handshake domains. Other options also provided in the docs: https://learn.namebase.io/starting-from-zero/how-to-access-handshake-sites https://learn.namebase.io/starting-from-zero/how-to-access-h...

C4stor 6y ago

Does the average Joe really reads articles from sci-hub ? The target public of sci-hub should be able to understand how to install a couple programs imo. Windows 7 has reached EOL a year ago (minus two days), so yeah, maybe it's not very well supported...

BelenusMordred 6y ago
> Does the average Joe really reads articles from sci-hub ? What a ridiculous statement, do you truly want to live in a world where they can't? Most authors on sci-hub themselves would struggle with containers. If a mechanic mocked a room full of people for not being able to change their own oil what would you think of them? Please reconsider such an ideological stance.
- C4stor 6y ago
  Well, no, but they actually can, so it's not the question. I doubt that most people able to read and publish complex scientitic papers would "struggle" to follow what is overall a one page sequence of instructions to enter in a computer. You don't need to understand containers to run docker. I don't really get the analogy with the mechanic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  - BelenusMordred 6y ago
    > You don't need to understand containers to run docker. Maybe we live in different worlds but the average (non-cs)professor would very much struggle with this stuff. I've seen some barely being able to use basic programs, they are skilled in very different domains and no one will bat an eyelid if they slowly click on the mouse to copy/paste every day of the week. Rocking the command line is certainly not in their job description for the most part. Even comp-sci academics do work that is horrendously bad and not even close to what would pass in the workplace for an entry level graduate. > the analogy with the mechanic Essentially an adult saying to a group of children "this is so simple for me, what are you a dumbass?"
eythian 6y ago
Define "average Joe"? I haven't been in academia since I finished university years ago, but I'll sometimes want to do some digging around on some topic and get a lot of mileage out of sci-hub then.

carlsborg 6y ago

Get a VirtualBox VM running Linux, and take it from there.

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rasengan 6y ago

It doesn’t require docker! You can install directly on windows, Mac and Linux [1]. This is how I have it running (for the past 8 months)! https://github.com/handshake-org/hsd https://github.com/handshake-org/hsd

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
I don't see any Windows installation instructions there. Is it really that hard to distribute an application? A statically linked executable, or a portable directory with an executable in it. Thousands of projects do it every day. Why do so many developers insist on making a simple thing like actually running their software so complicated?
- throwaway889900 6y ago
  The installation instructions say to use npm, which is pretty simple? Everything's javascript anyways.

Jonnax 6y ago

So I've not had a look at this software before. I had a look at their website: https://hsd-dev.org/guides/win-install.html https://hsd-dev.org/guides/win-install.html It doesn't say that you require docker. Docker is one of the options. You could either build it from source using NodeJS or use node JS's package manager NPM to install it. Docker is a containerisation platform that requires virtualisation support: https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/install/ https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/install/ The system requirements are as follows: * Windows 10 64-bit * Hyper-V and Containers Windows features enabled So of course this method is not going to run on Windows 7 and it clearly has stated so. Plus it's not a web browser. It's a blockchain DNS.