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This. The companies are behaving in an un-American manner. What they are doing is deeply selfish and cynical. They should be criticized for their behavior and s

This. The companies are behaving in an un-American manner. What they are doing is deeply selfish and cynical. They should be criticized for their behavior and shamed for it. We should not excommunicate members of our society even if the things they say are reprehensible. And yes, the companies have a right to do it, but there are plenty of things you can do, but should nevertheless be shamed for doing.

steve76 6y ago
Who would win in a deplatforming food fight? Google or Apple? Google's union now, right? And Apple fires people in elevators and vowed on their deathbed “I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this. So. Not saying you two should fight. If a fight did break out, who would win? And now that I think about it, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, all have their strengths and flaws. Amazon is hell for suppliers. Why should Apple get paid so much for something they can buy out of China? And does the AWS UI "just work"? Does it really? Facebook keeps files on people like some secret police intelligence unit. And Twitter's long term vision just won't work unless you have no mouth and must scream. Tweet for a subway door to open. How stupid do you have to be.
fabianhjr 6y ago
> The companies are behaving in an un-American manner. Those are transnational private companies. What is stopping others from claiming they have been behaving in an un-Chinese manner or an un-European manner or an un-Russian manner so far? How is a naive notion of nationalism of capital an argument of how such entities should behave when they operate in most recognized nations with different ideological and regulatory frameworks?
- revnode 6y ago
  > Those are transnational private companies. If you're going to sell your services and goods here, you need to comport to the cultural norms HERE. > What is stopping others from claiming they have been behaving in an un-Chinese manner or an un-European manner or an un-Russian manner so far? Nothing. > How is a naive notion of nationalism of capital an argument of how such entities should behave when they operate in most recognized nations with different ideological and regulatory frameworks? They can and do change business practices to fit the region.
  - fabianhjr 6y ago
    > If you're going to sell your services and goods here, you need to comport to the cultural norms HERE. They are also selling their services and goods there so: > They can and do change business practices to fit the region. They have and do change their practices to fit the global region they operate in so the "un-american" critique would be moot.
    - revnode 6y ago
      > They have and do change their practices to fit the global region they operate in so the "un-american" critique would be moot. I'm not sure what this means. They are behaving poorly HERE. I am not criticizing them for the crazy stuff they do elsewhere. That's an entirely different conversation.
      - fabianhjr 6y ago
        > They are behaving poorly HERE That a critique of their behavior should not depend on the locality (an ideological statement) much less a locality that represents about 1.9% of the world area and 4.2% of the population.
jonathankoren 6y ago
> We should not excommunicate members of our society even if the things they say are reprehensible. We do all the time. That's how cultural norms are enforced.

steve76 6y ago

Who would win in a deplatforming food fight? Google or Apple? Google's union now, right? And Apple fires people in elevators and vowed on their deathbed “I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this. So. Not saying you two should fight. If a fight did break out, who would win? And now that I think about it, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, all have their strengths and flaws. Amazon is hell for suppliers. Why should Apple get paid so much for something they can buy out of China? And does the AWS UI "just work"? Does it really? Facebook keeps files on people like some secret police intelligence unit. And Twitter's long term vision just won't work unless you have no mouth and must scream. Tweet for a subway door to open. How stupid do you have to be.

fabianhjr 6y ago

> The companies are behaving in an un-American manner. Those are transnational private companies. What is stopping others from claiming they have been behaving in an un-Chinese manner or an un-European manner or an un-Russian manner so far? How is a naive notion of nationalism of capital an argument of how such entities should behave when they operate in most recognized nations with different ideological and regulatory frameworks?

revnode 6y ago
> Those are transnational private companies. If you're going to sell your services and goods here, you need to comport to the cultural norms HERE. > What is stopping others from claiming they have been behaving in an un-Chinese manner or an un-European manner or an un-Russian manner so far? Nothing. > How is a naive notion of nationalism of capital an argument of how such entities should behave when they operate in most recognized nations with different ideological and regulatory frameworks? They can and do change business practices to fit the region.
- fabianhjr 6y ago
  > If you're going to sell your services and goods here, you need to comport to the cultural norms HERE. They are also selling their services and goods there so: > They can and do change business practices to fit the region. They have and do change their practices to fit the global region they operate in so the "un-american" critique would be moot.
  - revnode 6y ago
    > They have and do change their practices to fit the global region they operate in so the "un-american" critique would be moot. I'm not sure what this means. They are behaving poorly HERE. I am not criticizing them for the crazy stuff they do elsewhere. That's an entirely different conversation.
    - fabianhjr 6y ago
      > They are behaving poorly HERE That a critique of their behavior should not depend on the locality (an ideological statement) much less a locality that represents about 1.9% of the world area and 4.2% of the population.

jonathankoren 6y ago

> We should not excommunicate members of our society even if the things they say are reprehensible. We do all the time. That's how cultural norms are enforced.