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> Give the students as many perspectives and hope that they will do something sensible as they process the information I don’t know if you’ve gone to college r
by gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
> Give the students as many perspectives and hope that they will do something sensible as they process the information
I don’t know if you’ve gone to college recently but that was not my impression. It’s a woke monoculture. Discourse is gone.
- SantalBlush 6y agoDiscourse is narrower than you'd like; that doesn't mean it's "gone". When someone makes extraordinary claims like "Discourse is gone," that is a red flag that they are not viewing the situation objectively.
- gnusty_gnurc 6y agoPrecisely demonstrating my point: a hyper-sensitivity and censorious attitude against any advocacy for unmitigated debate.
- SantalBlush 6y agoYou are calling my disagreement a "censorious attitude." Sorry, but I am allowed to disagree with you.
- squidlogic 6y agoSo perhaps a better claim would be that the new discourse is unduly confined and the older modes of discourse are gone.
- SantalBlush 6y agoThat's a better starting point for a productive discussion, but still hyperbolic. Moreover, do you notice that my comment is being grayed out as people who disagree are downvoting it? A lot of people who claim to value discussion really don't; not on Hacker News, and not elsewhere.
- cbozeman 6y agoYou're being downvoted because discourse should never be narrowed, period. Ideas should be thrown into the public square, in the full light of day, and judged on their merits.
- SantalBlush 6y agoHopefully you realize the hypocrisy of graying out my comment in the name of promoting discourse, but I doubt it. Ideas should absolutely be judged on their merits; here we agree. Too bad that's not how humans work. Instead, they tend to choose whichever truth they like best based on how it makes them feel; politicians know this, which is why they don't bother crafting logically sound arguments backed with evidence. They play on peoples' emotions. Moreover, the university is not a public square. You attend as a student, which means you are there to learn, not to share your thoughts like it's a real-life HN thread. Don't want to learn the material? That's completely fine. The solution is to not sign up for the class, not to whine about how "discourse is gone" just because the teacher doesn't want to waste time on every edgy kid's opinions. People didn't pay massive sums of money to hear you talk. They paid to learn from experts.
- cbozeman 6y agoDon't think of your comment as being grayed out, think of your discourse as being narrowed.
- SantalBlush 6y agoIt turns out we are both fine with narrowing discourse, just as I suspected.
- gnusty_gnurc 6y ago> You attend as a student, which means you are there to learn, not to share your thoughts like it's a real-life HN thread. Don't want to learn the material? This is entirely wrong. You're describing indoctrination, not learning. Truth is not injected into students, spoken from on-high. Get out of here for suggesting that. Go to a monastery if that's what you think learning is. Truth is discovered and spread through dialogue.
- jessaustin 6y agoThe discourse has always been unduly confined. We never discussed whether it was a good thing to slaughter all the Native Americans, and we're not discussing whether all our stupid wars nowadays are good, either. War is off-topic in the USA "discourse". I'm sure other important things about which I'm less concerned are also "unduly" left out.
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