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The only chance in hell this country has of surviving is if Republicans widely condemn Trump's behavior and make an example of other agitators like Rudy Giulian

by _euac 6y ago

The only chance in hell this country has of surviving is if Republicans widely condemn Trump's behavior and make an example of other agitators like Rudy Giuliani and Alex Jones who whipped these people into a frenzy. If there are no consequences, they'll only get the message that they can do whatever they want and things will only get worse.

mnouquet 6y ago
> The only chance in hell this country has of surviving is if Republicans widely condemn It won't change a single thing, at best, those elected official will be considered traitors / pussies.
- _euac 6y ago
  It will. Plenty of people in my own family who've been Trump staunch Trump supporters through thick and thin were appalled by what happened on Wednesday. If the Republicans want to heal the country, they have to reassure these people that there is a path to normalcy and it involves rejecting this kind of extremism. The worst thing Republicans can do is pretend it's all business as usual and force these people to choose between 'the evil Democrats' (who they won't support, ever) or 'our guy who might try a coup here and there but at least is on our side'.
  - war1025 6y ago
    Unfortunately the non-Trump wings of the Republican party get you people like Mitt Romney. I'd vote Democrat before I backed that guy. Really just planning to excuse myself from politics for the next few years.
  - mnouquet 6y ago
    > it involves rejecting this kind of extremism It's not "extremism" if, from the point of view of History, you're on the winning side, in that case, it's "heroism".
    - _euac 6y ago
      So your argument is that the violence would've been justified if they had managed to pull the coup. Got it.
      - mnouquet 6y ago
        History is not written yet.
war1025 6y ago
> The only chance in hell this country has of surviving is if Republicans widely condemn Trump's behavior Trump acted like a clown, but he's hardly the only agitator in this mess. The entirety of 2020 has been a shit show from all sides, and near as I can tell no one is interested in backing down.
- _euac 6y ago
  I keep hearing this argument, to which I have to answer: at no point, ever, in 2020 or 2021 did the other side - which you are trying to equate with Trump - organize an attack on the United States Congress while the totality of our elected officials were in session. Trying to equate people rioting on the streets with an organized pseudo-coup-by-proxy is ridiculous and it just sounds like you are trying to give one side an excuse by using whataboutism.
  - war1025 6y ago
    > organize an attack on the United States Congress Oh spare me the faux sanctimony. No one was "organizing a coup" it was a bunch of dipshits getting in over their heads.There is nothing inherently sacred about the capital buildings.
    - _euac 6y ago
      Buildings? No. Democratic process and elected leaders? Definitely. You are trying to downplay this as if it was just some goons setting an empty Denny's on fire, but you know exactly what was happening and who was in that building at the time they broke into it.
      - war1025 6y ago
        "How dare you interrupt when the adults were talking" is basically how this comes across to pretty much everyone I've seen reactions from on social media.
burnthrow 6y ago
If the agitators are not imprisoned for a long time, there will be no chance for peace in this country. And any insurrectionists storming government buildings must be shot on sight next time, as the combatants they are. Wouldn't shed a tear, the alternative is to become another Afghanistan. The fake Thomas Paines here need to understand that we are at WAR. If you care about this country, this shit has to be put down mercilessly.
- war1025 6y ago
  > The fake Thomas Paines here need to understand that we are at WAR. If you care about this country, this shit has to be put down mercilessly. Just like all the BLM / Antifa shit this summer? Or is it only when it's the other side causing trouble that people need shot on sight?
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  - _euac 6y ago
    It's a trope at this point, but when BLM protested in Washington, there were hundreds of National Guardsmen guarding the entrance. When Trump's supporters broke in, the Capitol Police didn't do anything until one of them got close enough to our elected officials and got shot. There were thousands of arrests because of the BLM protests. If you were truly in favor of 'treating them equally', you'd be rooting for every single person who broke into the Capitol to be arrested. Are you?
    - war1025 6y ago
      I think the entire year and everything about it has been a disgrace. Sure, treat them equally.

by _euac 6y ago

mnouquet 6y ago

> The only chance in hell this country has of surviving is if Republicans widely condemn It won't change a single thing, at best, those elected official will be considered traitors / pussies.

_euac 6y ago
It will. Plenty of people in my own family who've been Trump staunch Trump supporters through thick and thin were appalled by what happened on Wednesday. If the Republicans want to heal the country, they have to reassure these people that there is a path to normalcy and it involves rejecting this kind of extremism. The worst thing Republicans can do is pretend it's all business as usual and force these people to choose between 'the evil Democrats' (who they won't support, ever) or 'our guy who might try a coup here and there but at least is on our side'.
- war1025 6y ago
  Unfortunately the non-Trump wings of the Republican party get you people like Mitt Romney. I'd vote Democrat before I backed that guy. Really just planning to excuse myself from politics for the next few years.
- mnouquet 6y ago
  > it involves rejecting this kind of extremism It's not "extremism" if, from the point of view of History, you're on the winning side, in that case, it's "heroism".
  - _euac 6y ago
    So your argument is that the violence would've been justified if they had managed to pull the coup. Got it.
    - mnouquet 6y ago
      History is not written yet.

war1025 6y ago

> The only chance in hell this country has of surviving is if Republicans widely condemn Trump's behavior Trump acted like a clown, but he's hardly the only agitator in this mess. The entirety of 2020 has been a shit show from all sides, and near as I can tell no one is interested in backing down.

_euac 6y ago
I keep hearing this argument, to which I have to answer: at no point, ever, in 2020 or 2021 did the other side - which you are trying to equate with Trump - organize an attack on the United States Congress while the totality of our elected officials were in session. Trying to equate people rioting on the streets with an organized pseudo-coup-by-proxy is ridiculous and it just sounds like you are trying to give one side an excuse by using whataboutism.
- war1025 6y ago
  > organize an attack on the United States Congress Oh spare me the faux sanctimony. No one was "organizing a coup" it was a bunch of dipshits getting in over their heads.There is nothing inherently sacred about the capital buildings.
  - _euac 6y ago
    Buildings? No. Democratic process and elected leaders? Definitely. You are trying to downplay this as if it was just some goons setting an empty Denny's on fire, but you know exactly what was happening and who was in that building at the time they broke into it.
    - war1025 6y ago
      "How dare you interrupt when the adults were talking" is basically how this comes across to pretty much everyone I've seen reactions from on social media.

burnthrow 6y ago

If the agitators are not imprisoned for a long time, there will be no chance for peace in this country. And any insurrectionists storming government buildings must be shot on sight next time, as the combatants they are. Wouldn't shed a tear, the alternative is to become another Afghanistan. The fake Thomas Paines here need to understand that we are at WAR. If you care about this country, this shit has to be put down mercilessly.

war1025 6y ago
> The fake Thomas Paines here need to understand that we are at WAR. If you care about this country, this shit has to be put down mercilessly. Just like all the BLM / Antifa shit this summer? Or is it only when it's the other side causing trouble that people need shot on sight?
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- _euac 6y ago
  It's a trope at this point, but when BLM protested in Washington, there were hundreds of National Guardsmen guarding the entrance. When Trump's supporters broke in, the Capitol Police didn't do anything until one of them got close enough to our elected officials and got shot. There were thousands of arrests because of the BLM protests. If you were truly in favor of 'treating them equally', you'd be rooting for every single person who broke into the Capitol to be arrested. Are you?
  - war1025 6y ago
    I think the entire year and everything about it has been a disgrace. Sure, treat them equally.